Crusader Kings II

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Hodson Sep 4, 2019 @ 12:55pm
Realm peace
What purpose does realm peace serve apart from ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over vassals who cant afford the favour?
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gregoryk64 Sep 4, 2019 @ 12:57pm 
It's very effective at preventing ambitious vassals from becoming too large and taking over your kingdom from within.
gastfyr Sep 4, 2019 @ 1:00pm 
Is it really so effective? The one time I used it, the attacking vassal became furious with me and then forced the other vassal to fight again anyway, despite realm peace still being in effect. He won, too, so now I have a furious and more powerful vassal on my hands :steamfacepalm:
gregoryk64 Sep 4, 2019 @ 1:01pm 
I usually play using the following strategy. If a vassal declares an internal war to claim de jure territory from another vassal, I'll let that one go. If they declare war to take non-de jure titles from another vassal, I will realm peace their ass.

Sorry dude. Not your duchy. Knock that ♥♥♥♥ off.
gregoryk64 Sep 4, 2019 @ 1:02pm 
Originally posted by gastfyr:
Is it really so effective? The one time I used it, the attacking vassal became furious with me and then forced the other vassal to fight again anyway, despite realm peace still being in effect. He won, too, so now I have a furious and more powerful vassal on my hands :steamfacepalm:
That should not happen if realm peace is in effect. They may declare war again, but it should immediately end as inconclusive.
gastfyr Sep 4, 2019 @ 1:19pm 
There are loopholes to realm peace. Many people have discussed this in several threads recently that I'm far too lazy rn to go dig up.
Karlington Sep 4, 2019 @ 3:08pm 
Originally posted by gastfyr:
There are loopholes to realm peace. Many people have discussed this in several threads recently that I'm far too lazy rn to go dig up.

And you are saying the _AI_ exploits these loopholes?
gregoryk64 Sep 4, 2019 @ 4:48pm 
Originally posted by gastfyr:
There are loopholes to realm peace. Many people have discussed this in several threads recently that I'm far too lazy rn to go dig up.
I'll have to search the threads to find out what these exceptions are. Not saying they don't exist, but I've never had it happen. I've had situations where the same vassal will regularly try to start the same war during realm peace and immediately get shut down, but I've yet to have one ignore realm peace and continue their war.
Segovax Sep 4, 2019 @ 5:52pm 
Originally posted by gregoryk64:
Originally posted by gastfyr:
There are loopholes to realm peace. Many people have discussed this in several threads recently that I'm far too lazy rn to go dig up.
I'll have to search the threads to find out what these exceptions are. Not saying they don't exist, but I've never had it happen. I've had situations where the same vassal will regularly try to start the same war during realm peace and immediately get shut down, but I've yet to have one ignore realm peace and continue their war.

I thought it the game immediately stopped wars once realm peace came into effect.

Enforcing realm peace is not immediate, iirc. People have like 3 months or so to finish their wars. I have never been able to start an intra-realm war with peace in effect as a vassal and never seen vassals start ♥♥♥♥ with each other once it's been enforced.

I have used it fairly often in the past with a lot of bickering, less powerful vassals who squabble a lot when I need to push through a succession law or something that requires no vassals be fighting.
gregoryk64 Sep 4, 2019 @ 6:07pm 
Originally posted by Segovax:
Enforcing realm peace is not immediate, iirc. People have like 3 months or so to finish their wars. I have never been able to start an intra-realm war with peace in effect as a vassal and never seen vassals start ♥♥♥♥ with each other once it's been enforced.

The 90 day period between declaration and enforcing realm peace is correct. It is then enforced for 5 years, then there is a 5 year cooldown period before it can be enforced again. The cooldown is usually when things get out of hand with internal wars.

But I've noticed that realm peace does not prevent vassals from declaring wars when it is enforced, they just immediately end inconclusively. This is a huge pain in the ass as particularly ambitious vassals will continue to try and press the same claim multiple times under realm peace. Many times I've had vassals press the same claim under realm peace four or five times only to get shut down. And each time it happens that vassal will gain an additional -40 tyranny malus against me and take their opinion into negative triple digits. If that's never happened to you then you've been lucky. I've only noticed it happening since I installed Holy Fury so it may be something with the DLC.
Segovax Sep 4, 2019 @ 7:53pm 
Damn. That's nasty, I had no idea. I guess I have been lucky because I've really never seen that happen. I definitely have not used realm peace since I picked up HF.
gastfyr Sep 4, 2019 @ 8:32pm 
This quote is one of the posts I was talking about:
Originally posted by Daonar:
Someone mentioned that they DO obey and don't start wars in a normal way, and "only" start them when e.g. refusing a title revocation, faction ultimatums and such...which DOES NOT help you at all, when you try to achieve "no vassals are fighting each other" conditions ruling a 40+ direct vassals empire, with no in-game means to quickly find that bastard who is envolved in some civil war...
What happened in my game, first time playing with Ironman and achievements activated (I mention this so it's clear I had no mods interfering), and I tried realm peace for the first time. I sat there and waited for the 3 months to go by, watching my two vassals siege each other's capitals. Finally, realm peace came into effect and their dumb little war was over. I thought that was a good thing. But then suddenly a couple of years later (my "you are enforcing realm peace" icon said it was still in effect for 3 years) the one vassal (the one who'd attacked the first time) managed to goad the other one into some new war. It did not in fact immediately end; it took a few months at least and finally the one vassal (who was an adult) captured the other (who was a child) and put him in prison, and that was the end of the war. Clear win for adult, clear loss for child. Might as well have not had realm peace on as far as I could tell.
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