How does the 'Sons of Lothbrok' Invasion work?

[xocorret]

I don't understand the rules of this thing. I started as Halfdan and occupied all provinces in Northumbria (except one that was occupied by Ivar) and suddenly Ivar declares a peace and gets half the country?

Also: The war view states that the title 'Kingdom of England' is at stake but even when I make a peace before Ivar I get some provinces in Northumbria (even thogh I occupied half of Mercia) and no title?

Yes I seem to be able to just declare wars afterwards but with 10 years of peace between each war/ruler is it even possible to make Halfdan king?

Also: Gavelkind FFS. How can I even prevent my recent conquest to fall apart instantly? Tried to convert to catholic via concubine but to no avail.

[ApricotBar]

Hey there.

1. Ivar's war was for the top part of Northumbria. He won the war, so he got it. If you were part of his war, you seigeing the Northumbrian counties would have helped him as well. If you were not apart of that war, Ivar may have captured the ruler in battle which gives you 100% automaticlly.

2. Yep. Basiclly the war you are in is a prepared invasion of England, but you are attacking Northumbria. So you take over Northumbria. No title.

3. Is it posible to make Halfdan King? Yes. But it would be difficult. You can ignore the truce and steamroll the country, but you will meet stuborn resistance.

4. Gavelkind is fun. Basic tips are don't marry, take concubines. When you get your first born son, set the concubine aside. Can't split the land between one son now can you?

If you need any more help, feel free to ask.

[xocorret]

Problem with Halfdan is: He already has three sons, and the main heir is not even in my court. (Also he is quite underwhelming). Do I have any chance to disown him? I tried plotting, but it won't let me :(

What if Halfdan dies? The realm is split and the brothers fight subjugation wars amongst each other?

[that guy]

Originally posted by xocorret:

What if Halfdan dies? The realm is split and the brothers fight subjugation wars amongst each other?

Since Halfdan is feudal, he has access to the regular gavelkind inheritance law. Unlike elective gavelkind, no new titles are created so pieces of your realm will not split off. Your personal demesne will still be split up among your sons, but your eldest will be liege to the others.

[xocorret]

Originally posted by that guy:

Your personal demesne will still be split up among your sons, but your eldest will be liege to the others.

So even If the brothers hold the same rank after inheritance, one will be the leader? Wouldn't the others immediatly form an independence faction? Also do I have to convert to catholic to gain primogeniture or is there another way?

[that guy]

Originally posted by xocorret:

So even If the brothers hold the same rank after inheritance, one will be the leader? Wouldn't the others immediatly form an independence faction? Also do I have to convert to catholic to gain primogeniture or is there another way?

The brothers need to be different ranks or else the realm will split.

Gavelkind
Your titles are handed out in order of who is the eldest son. If you have another title that is the same rank as your highest title, and you have more than one son, this would mean that your realm will split. However, if you only have no other titles the same rank as your highest title, your realm will not split.

Example 1: You control all of England but your highest title is the duchy of York and you have no other duke level titles. Upon succession everything stays as part of the duchy of York.

Example 2: You control and have the titles to the duchies of York, Northumberland, and Lancaster. On succession, your eldest son gets your primary title, your second son becomes independent with one of the duchy titles, and your third son becomes independent with the last duchy title.

Elective Gavelkind
Upon your death, the game will check to see if you have enough land to form any titles that are the same rank as your primary title, then it will form any that are available. Afterwards, everything is passed out as though it was regular gavelkind, except that instead of your eldest son being primary heir, it's whoever won the election.

Example: You control all of England but your highest title is the duchy of York and you have no other duke level titles. Your first son is winning the election. The game will create the titles for the duchies of Northumberland, Lancaster, Mercia, East Anglia, Essex, Wessex, Hwicce, and Kent. So your first son might end up with York, Northumberland, and Lancaster while your second son has Mercia, Essex, and East Anglia and your third son gets Wessex, Hwicce and Kent.

[xocorret]

So it would be a clever strategy to destroy all titles at the same level as my primary one. This would however deprive me of a few of de jure CBs but I guess a prepared invasion could make up for it.

[that guy]

Unfortunately you can't destroy titles with gavelkind succession.

[xocorret]

Argh. Is there any way to keep my conquest in Nortumbria in one piece except for a war amongst brothers under this circumstances? (I will have 2 duchies unless I let Ivar peace out first, and are still stuck with 3 heirs)

Kingship or becoming catholic and going primogeniture seems to far fetched to be achieved in Halfdans lifetime.

[that guy]

You could always go conquer Ireland. Most of them are single county tribal chiefs bordering the sea, which means you can use the county conquest CB on them and easily win the wars. Then you can form Ireland, or I suppose you can always change culture to Irish and change succession law to tanistry.

[xocorret]

Then I could start as Duke of Mide directly

[Mentos]

I just want to chime in and express my dislike of how invasions in general are implemented. The AI does not have the capacity to understand the purpose of the invasion cb and does not properly take advantage of it. Along with that, catholic invasions can almost never occur since 9/10 the pope has a positive opinion of the catholic ruler in question, and you can't get the CB granted against kingdoms with anti-popes (which is absurd).