Does anyone understand nomad sucession?

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last time my son wasnt heir untill he came of age, now my 0 year old son is heir with 250 prestiege over my adult son with 2500 prestiege. Both are legimate, the oder son is a mercenary. (I believe my earlier sons were mercenaries when inheriting) How on earth does this system work?

[Random]

is your son capable of children? currently diseased?

Your succession is via prestige, and thats kind of the point of the mercenary option for horse lords.

Alternatively you can keep them in your court and give him an array of honorary titles which will exceed the prestige gain of a merc, the downside is you don't have the adventurer trait (not too much of an issue).

horse lord succession is much like republic succession, however there is never an option to bankroll someone, so you have to use mercs/honorary titles.

Still to lose succession at 2500 prestige, it sounds like he had an accident?

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After checking my numbers, he has 1200 (vs 250) still way more, he also has lunatic,adventurer and legitimized bastard, any of those an inheritence blocker on nomad? Be nice if there was a writte description of full inheritence rules in the manual.
And trouible maker converted to islam. -_-

[Random]

not sure about the legitimized bastard with nomads, I never had any personally and if i did I wouldn't legitimize them as I never really had a lack of kids.

Lunatic and adventurer shouldn't be an issue, so its honestly just the bastard trait that is the question... may need to check the wiki...

http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Nomadism#Succession

The only succession law is the Nomad succession law, in which the son or brother (other relatives, such as nephews or uncles, can not inherit) with the most prestige inherits. Other relatives are completely ineligible. Additionally, another clan chief (khan) can inherit the Khagan title if his clan has significantly more population (and/or prestige?). If this happens, the former khaganate's clan becomes a vassal khanate.

Children cannot inherit the khaganate, although they can become khans. The child will likely get a strong claim, which can be pressed immediately, though it must be done so by directly declaring war on the new Khagan (with regent approval); this war is very difficult to win as the Khagan will call in all other vassal clans as allies.

Adult male relatives can be sent out to be mercenary leaders, allowing them to accumulate considerable prestige and wealth. This gives khans a way to influence succession, but carries risk of injury.

Not seeing any mention of issues or confusion with bastards, unless it is treating them like a cousin or something wierd mechanically...

may be a bug since MnM, but honestly I have no prescedent personally to know if its normal or not.

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I also had inheritence of the empire now shift to a tiny clan with a population of 20 000
in conrast, my clan and the other two large clans have 100 thousand.
Their prestiege is certainly higher than my landless heir reported on page. It shifted back to the other large clan, I am guessing due to their higher prestiege than my child heir.
My older lunatic, has converted to islam and joined a foreign court, refusing to come home. What a dink. (I thought only I could end his mercenary work?)

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And now my child heir is looney -_-
If I send my sane child away as a mercenary, does he lose al his honorary titles?

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Now the empire goes to the clan with 22 000 pop and 1050 prestiege of the leader..
Eldest son lunatic 700 prestiege
Elder son,343
Heir 297, lunatic, 13 years old.
I am truely unclear what determines sucession, it appears to be run by loki.

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Now i am getting minor clan uprisings when I dont even have excess land......
on top of all the islamic conversions across the realm when I'm tengri with 87 MA and already reformed this ruler. My realm has gone from 80% tengri to about 80% muslim.

[Random]

thought you lost the khaganate to a small 22k pop clan? if you are just a khan and not the khaganate then the minor clan invasion is against them, not you (granted you will be called to arms as a vassal).

Basically your leige is the one with the excess land (apparently).

As for the religion spreading, that's generally based on clan opinion, and can flip back and forth very easily as a horse lord (you litterally can just target other khan vassals and adopt it in their interaction window (right click).

So when you have the top spot again, and everyone loves you, then they will all flip back.

If you leave holdings around the place though with feudal vassals etc, then that will be alot messier for religion... if its all burned then its very simple :)

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Now one of my sons has somehow become sultan of rum

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I lost "inheritence rights", it hasnt happened yet.

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and now my only sane son is incapable for no apparant reason. Something is not right, 15 out of 10 things are going wrong. (Its not supposed ot be possible to get a minor clan uprising when you dont have excess land right?)

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my lunatic youngest (Now adult son) has 384 prestiege, 0 troops, is my commander, and is now heir to the empire. the former heir has 1400 prestiege, and 22 thousand population.

?????
WTF is going on

[Random]

the former heir has population? how? is he part of another clan?

The only heirs that matter are your dynasty, sons, brothers, thats it. cousins are exempt even if they are of your blood.

whichever one of your brothers or sons has the most prestige, they are your heir, so if your brothers are all dead, then your son gets it by default.

when you die, your 100k population or whatever passes to your lunatic son, so you don't lose anything, and even if you lost the khaganate you would still have 100k population and would likely be able to immediately usurp the title back once you reached adulthood (there is a faction specifically for it).

unlike a merchant republic that basically rewards you for having massive spanning dynasties, there is no reason to continue any of your lines beyond brothers being married just incase, but once you have a few sons, you can pretty well ignore them.

once your preferred son turns 16, give him designated regent, yugdir (or whatever the one that gives 3.0 prestige a month is called) and also make him an advisor (no threat to his life in that council position). This will result in about 8 prestige a month going to the 16yo, and he will very quickly end up your heir.

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The former heir to the empire of mongola had population by being a clan leader. I dont know how he was an heir to the empire. Call it a different of opinion, but that matters to me.
My current heir is my nephew. (Funny, I thought I read nehpews were ineligible) but whatever.

Originally posted by Random:

the former heir has population? how? is he part of another clan?


whichever one of your brothers or sons has the most prestige, they are your heir, so if your brothers are all dead, then your son gets it by default.

I just explained severeal times occurenes where this is clearly untrue.

Originally posted by Random:

when you die, your 100k population or whatever passes to your lunatic son, so you don't lose anything, and even if you lost the khaganate you would still have 100k population and would likely be able to immediately usurp the title back once you reached adulthood (there is a faction specifically for it).

Thats a great idea, you should foreward it to the programmers. Losing control of all the clans in the empire is kind of a big deal, and not easy to take back alone.Though I was unware of the faction for it, I havent really noticed that yet. Gaining support is another issue whe nthere isa feud with all the clans -_-. Its possible I could rush them before the other clans come to help.

Originally posted by Random:

unlike a merchant republic that basically rewards you for having massive spanning dynasties, there is no reason to continue any of your lines beyond brothers being married just incase, but once you have a few sons, you can pretty well ignore them.

Thats fairly accurate, possible benefits are the +5 opinion bonus from vassals of dynasty, and continuation of game if your immediate family dies (Apparantly nehpews can inherit)
Certainly doesnt compared to the massive difference of income a republic gets as you stated :)

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my legitimized bastard was also not a candidate despite being far and away the most prestigious. Nobody could answer me why he wasnt eligible when I asked months ago. Could be a glitch. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.