Destroy a title? When do you do this?

[Kashone]

New player - I am king of ireland and I am just in the process of getting rdy to take down wales - Im curious what this button is good for and when I should use it.

Basically its another button I am trying to wrap my head around.

Cheers

Only running - Sword of islam, Rome, Republic dlc - if that matters.

[Blaze]

destroying a title is only useful if under gavelkind law and it upsets vassals that belong to that title quite a bit but it also stops them from desireing the title in question if you destroy it.

[Kashone]

OK, thx - Yea Im currently running primogeniture law. Thought I may have to worry about this as I expand - sounds like I don't.

Apprecaite it

[Blaze]

you dont if you primo just remember to not hold more than two duchies yourself or you get a penalty to vassal oppinion

[priamossz]

if you have multiple king or empire titles then its also useful to destroy titles as with an inheritance issue you could easily lose a big chunk of your territory.

[Merkatz]

I destroy titles at king or higher. If they don't exist, your vassals don't hate you for holding them.

There's also gamey reasons:

Recently, I usurp the Byzantine Empire, destroyed it, formed the Latin Empire, destroyed Italia.

Now I am the Italian, Latin Emperor.

[TVMAN]

I use it whenever I'm a king with extra duchy titles I don't want to grant. I keep the two duchy titles for my personal demesne and destroy any extra duchy titles I acquire just so I can keep my vassals weak.

As a king, I prefer ruling over a bunch of individual counties since dukes can eventually build up a power base and cause trouble. An ambitious duke can be a massive pain to deal with, but troublesome counts are much easier to crush if they decide to rebel. I only start consolidating my counties into duchies once I acquire an emperor title and reach my vassal limit.

[Random]

Um just to clear up a few... inaccuracies.

Firstly: You can't destroy a title whilst you are in gravelkind
Secondly: there is no "too many held duchies" opinion modifier as a duke (only king and emperor)
Thirdly: it is much much easier to rule over a few powerful vassals (dukes) than it is to rule over a swarm of ambitious counts.

As for why you would want to destroy a title, Merkatz mentioned one, wanting to clear out a title so that you can replace it with another; basically to remove opinion malus from dejure vassals wanting your extra titles beyond your primary (you can safely hold titular titles)

However the practical almost required use of destroying titles, is when you become an emperor and wish to give away kingdom's to vassals (because you should) you need to destroy your primary duchy title in order to avoid the dejure king from having a -25 wants X opinion modifer.

The other reason to destroy a title is if you have mismatching succession, and by this I mean 1 of your kingdoms is elective, while your primary is primogeniture. If you are going to lose the elective kingdom, you may as well destroy it to maintain your realm under the single kingdom, if you are unable to change its succession during your life time (just be warned that the destroyed title's dejure vassal's won't be pleased and will likely spearhead any independance factions)

[Kashone]

Ah Thanks for that - Yea I was getting a -10 rep hit for to many titles so I destroyed one and that got rid of it.

I'm on Ironman for my first run so I'm trying to avoid fatal mistakes

I think everything is going good now - I ended up getting my Dynasty on the throne of England with a distance kinsman - I currently have him betrothed to my daughter - although I am not sure how this is going to play out. As there are a lot of mechanics I still don't know.

Spend half my time reading wiki's and still trying to understand all the traits as to how they affect game play.

Currently have 2 kinsman with +100 rep to me controlling 5 counties as I push into Wales.

Allied to england to help with the push agaisnt Scotland once my truce is up from breaking the non aggression pact.

Here is a screen shot

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=880438497


I know have 2 questions.

1 - How do I get England and myself under one flag?

2- When I go after Scotland I currently have one claim (Ulster) and they are also excommunicated. But is there a way I can take more then one county at a time during one war? I'm so use to Euiv that what I expect I can do is not working.

I had to look up why I couldn't attack the raiders ships before they disembarked lol - Now I know there is no naval combat....


On a side note my heir is a homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that) But it did worry me that he wouldn't have any kids as he was betrothed at an early age - But it seems he will according to some older posts I read. He is only 15 atm so time will tell.

Anyways apprecaite all the tips lads - enjoying this game alot.

Only running - Sword of islam, Rome, Republic dlc.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

Even Celibacy doesn't prevent kids (and its -1000% fertility) so don't worry about the kid not having kids. There are a few ways to grab multiple counties/titles in war but its slower in general than euiv, if the king of scotland is excommunicated you may be able to ask the pope for a claim on scotland or the right to invade scotland, otherwise having multiple personal claims or either you or them being a heretic (for holy wars vs duchies).

[Random]

side note first: homosexuality is a -15% fertility chance, however the base fertility is 50% so he will be perfectly fine, he just might only have 3 kids where a non homosexual may have 5 (less isn't a bad thing).

1) there are many ways, and the majority of paths lead to war for a claim. Ideally you want to have you son/heir marry the first daughter of the english king (shouldn't be hard to organise as a dynasty member). the first daughter will get an inheritable claim from the king when he dies, and this in turn will pass to her children which will be your heir's children which once you play his generation will be your heir with a claim. Now you simply bide your time until you are playing the guy with a claim and then you basically take off your redcoat and turn it inside out and go march on england.

Addiitonally, after you organise the marriage between your heir and his daughter, you could try to off a bunch of her brothers via plots (easier than it sounds). if you are able to pull it off though, you may end up in the situation where the daughter actually ends up being queen. If that occurs immediately form an alliance with her and protect her with everything youve got to ensure she remains on the throne in her life time, as your grand son will likely stand to inherit BOTH kingdoms.

2) for ulster, your cb is likely a dejure and you should do it if you are more powerful as that will only make you stronger. however you can forge multiple claims on things, leading to another CB for "press all claims" however this does not apply to dejure, only to inherited claims via marriage etc. Basically there is no reason not to take ulster now, as the peace treaty is only 10 years so you can always declare another war later.

[Kashone]

Originally posted by Random:

side note first: homosexuality is a -15% fertility chance, however the base fertility is 50% so he will be perfectly fine, he just might only have 3 kids where a non homosexual may have 5 (less isn't a bad thing).

1) there are many ways, and the majority of paths lead to war for a claim. Ideally you want to have you son/heir marry the first daughter of the english king (shouldn't be hard to organise as a dynasty member). the first daughter will get an inheritable claim from the king when he dies, and this in turn will pass to her children which will be your heir's children which once you play his generation will be your heir with a claim. Now you simply bide your time until you are playing the guy with a claim and then you basically take off your redcoat and turn it inside out and go march on england.

Addiitonally, after you organise the marriage between your heir and his daughter, you could try to off a bunch of her brothers via plots (easier than it sounds). if you are able to pull it off though, you may end up in the situation where the daughter actually ends up being queen. If that occurs immediately form an alliance with her and protect her with everything youve got to ensure she remains on the throne in her life time, as your grand son will likely stand to inherit BOTH kingdoms.

2) for ulster, your cb is likely a dejure and you should do it if you are more powerful as that will only make you stronger. however you can forge multiple claims on things, leading to another CB for "press all claims" however this does not apply to dejure, only to inherited claims via marriage etc. Basically there is no reason not to take ulster now, as the peace treaty is only 10 years so you can always declare another war later.

1) When I saw my Kinsman get on the throne I wasn't sure what to do - I was worried he would marry some girl from elsewhere and screw things up - So I Betrothed my daughter to him to stop him from doing anything. Should I break this? He is only 38 atm and my daughter is at 11 years old. Im not sure how many lines in the family tree one must go before imbred hits. Sounds like I messed this up.

2) I was just waiting for my break aggression pact to expire so I could go at Scotland - I declared war on a little county in Wales in the meantime. I ended up capturing the Princess and had her in Jail - I realized she had no Heir so I was curious with the war still going what would happen if I executed her - There Neighbor ended up inherting the land and called in Scotland to help.... So as of now Im assuming Im going to get a truce as I try to finish this war.

Gay son ended up having an Attractive daughter - go figure

[Random]

1) nah the betrothal is basically good enough, if your heir is your daughter its actually perfect... if you have agnotic-cognativ (females allowed to inherit but male preference) for your succession, then you may want to try and organise a few "adventures" for your male children... like dungeon inspection, and promotion to guillotine test dummy for sharpness testing...

If however you are agnotic (male only) then it's not that bad, just means its an easy non-agression/alliance pact being in-laws as well as the +5 opinion dynasty bonus. just in the future try to get your grand daughter of the pair married to an heir (go go inbreeding)

Extra note: the daughter was clearly fabulous. :P

[Kashone]

Ok, Cheers for the info man - yea I have agnatic cognatic primogeniture going on - so I'll follow your tips - Really appreciate your help.

[Zednaught]

I find it most useful if I conquer another realm that has elective succession. They may hate my guts and refuse to elect my heir...but guess what? I simply destroy their kingdom and deal with the immediate consequences of some angry vassals.