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Das Boot Feb 16, 2017 @ 7:18pm
Why isn't Yazidis its own religion?
In real life the Yazidis are an ethno-kurdish religious group in Northern Mesopotamia which combines elements of Ialsm, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Judaism. This religion is monotheistic in that it believes in only one God, but they believe that God left control of the world in charge of seven angels. They have their own festivals, prayers, taboos, and they make pilgrimages to the tomb of Sheikh Adi ibn Musafir (NOT to Mecca).

In spite of all these unique differences, Yazidis in CKII is basically the Muslim Equivalent of Lollard Christianity; a heresey without distinguishing features.

If cult of Sun Worshippers that went extinct in the 800s gets its own fleshed out Religion, than the Yazidis faith (which is STILL EXTANT and has many followers as well) should get some details as well.

edit: And please don't use "Sunni Islam needed a heresey" to justify throwing Yazidism under the bus. If they needed to counterbalance against Sunni Islam than they should have either looked for a real muslim heresey or otherwise added mechanics that make that faith more difficult (such as if every decadant character counted against the faith's moral authority).
Last edited by Das Boot; Feb 16, 2017 @ 10:18pm
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clarky Feb 16, 2017 @ 7:20pm 
I like this idea.
Random Feb 16, 2017 @ 7:25pm 
actually yazidi requires you to hold only a single shiekhdom to be created (can't remember exact name but it is in northern mesopotamia). But like you said most religion itself isn't really "fleshed out" due to the wide variety of it and alot of religion positions placed as herecy for game balance.

The next dlc monks and mystics is pretty much religion/cults etc in a nutshell, so I would expect quite a bit of religious refinement... that being said the game does need some herecy for major religions, and unfortunately muslim as a whole has alot of "main stream" religions in games, so it needs a herecy version for each; and yazidi drew the sunni straw.
Das Boot Feb 16, 2017 @ 7:44pm 
Originally posted by Random:
The next dlc monks and mystics is pretty much religion/cults etc in a nutshell, so I would expect quite a bit of religious refinement... that being said the game does need some herecy for major religions, and unfortunately muslim as a whole has alot of "main stream" religions in games, so it needs a herecy version for each; and yazidi drew the sunni straw.

Giving the Sunni a heresey is a dumb reason to throw the Yazidi under the bus. More was lost than gained in doing that; what was gained was yet another undetailed generic heresey for a religion that really wouldn't be less interesting without a heresey (I have never once seen heresey hold significance in Muslim Realms), and what was lost was a rich religious faith with potental for many interesting and unique mechanics.
Last edited by Das Boot; Feb 16, 2017 @ 7:50pm
LowFatSnack Feb 16, 2017 @ 9:25pm 
and Manchians should be thier own religion too. the Sunni needed a heretical religion and Yazidi's were picked. yes they are different from Sunni, but game balance needs to be somewhat enforce and if the Yazidi's were not a sunni heretic religion then sunni would never have to worry about religion (aside from the Shia).

Muslim rulers were not playable (without character switching) until sword of islam which gave them somewhat unique stuff to do when compared to christanity. unless paradox can find time to change Yazidi religion (which they have expressed that they understand it shouldn't be a heretical religion) when they still need to fix other more important things, i don't see them fixing it anytime soon
Findus Feb 16, 2017 @ 10:15pm 
I think its one of these improvements that few people really care about.

I personally think the norse should be better when it comes to prepared invasions and that the byzantine shouldnt be so stable.
Merkatz Feb 17, 2017 @ 12:08am 
Massalianism should be an Orthodox heresy and shouldn't have 'divine blood'. Manicheanism should be it's own religion, like Yazidi.

I've always wanted a religious dlc that fixed/expanded on what was in the game.
Last edited by Merkatz; Feb 17, 2017 @ 12:09am
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