Cant grand kingdom titles to my vassals

[pablo.mentelle]

So ive been playing Ck2 plus as a Nord and i conquered all of england and form an Empire. I have created like 3 kingdoms to give to some of my vassals, but for some reason they arent present in the "give land" option, anyone knows why? Am i doing something wrong?

Thanks and i hope i explained myself correctly :D!

[Soteria]

So these are already your vassals? They hold counties already? You wouldn't be able to give a kingdom title to someone without at least a barony.

[gregoryk64]

My first guess is that you are trying to grant a kingdom to a character who is unlanded. in order to grant a duchy or kingdom, that character must first have a landed title (baron, count, etc.).

If you want to grant a kingdom, you're best bet would be to give it to a duke whose de Jure title lies within that kingdom. But frankly I don't know why you would want to grant kingdom titles unless you need to reduce the number of vassals. There is no penalty for holding too many kingdoms as there is with duchies or demense titles, and although you may have a very happy vassal in the short term you are creating a very powerful vassal whose inheriting son may end up being an ambitious pain in the ass later on.

[pablo.mentelle]

Originally posted by gregoryk64:

My first guess is that you are trying to grant a kingdom to a character who is unlanded. in order to grant a duchy or kingdom, that character must first have a landed title (baron, count, etc.).

If you want to grant a kingdom, you're best bet would be to give it to a duke whose de Jure title lies within that kingdom. But frankly I don't know why you would want to grant kingdom titles unless you need to reduce the number of vassals. There is no penalty for holding too many kingdoms as there is with duchies or demense titles, and although you may have a very happy vassal in the short term you are creating a very powerful vassal whose inheriting son may end up being an ambitious pain in the ass later on.

True, it was more of a doubt i had then a need becouse i wanted to give Norway to some count (first, later i check with a duke but still no) becouse i wanted to have control over that area more easily. I guess ill just keep the kingdoms for now

[pablo.mentelle]

Originally posted by Soteria:

So these are already your vassals? They hold counties already? You wouldn't be able to give a kingdom title to someone without at least a barony.

Yep, some counts and duks i vassalize a few years ago. All of the ones ive try are dejure part of the Kingdom and already have land, so i dont really get whats the issue :/

[gregoryk64]

Originally posted by pablo.mentelle:

Originally posted by gregoryk64:

My first guess is that you are trying to grant a kingdom to a character who is unlanded. in order to grant a duchy or kingdom, that character must first have a landed title (baron, count, etc.).

If you want to grant a kingdom, you're best bet would be to give it to a duke whose de Jure title lies within that kingdom. But frankly I don't know why you would want to grant kingdom titles unless you need to reduce the number of vassals. There is no penalty for holding too many kingdoms as there is with duchies or demense titles, and although you may have a very happy vassal in the short term you are creating a very powerful vassal whose inheriting son may end up being an ambitious pain in the ass later on.

True, it was more of a doubt i had then a need becouse i wanted to give Norway to some count (first, later i check with a duke but still no) becouse i wanted to have control over that area more easily. I guess ill just keep the kingdoms for now

Once you achieve the level of emperor, the only time you should consider granting a kingdom is if you are over vassal limit. And then, grant it as a viceroyalty to the oldest duke de Jure to the kingdom so they don't live long enough to make a mess of the realm.

[Random]

If your government is feudal and the target is tribal, it will not allow you to give them a kingdom title or if the character is unlanded you cant give them a kingdom title.

That's pretty much the only restrictions, unless you have viceroyalty kingdoms and are chosing give land as opposed to give viceroy

Just ensure the target has land like a duke inside the dejure kingdom, also try to avoid people with claims outside of it, as with the added power they will start making your borders look like garbage with their claims (also creates unnecessary internal wars prevent succession changes)

England is a bit of a powerhouse kingdom, inside britannia. scotland, ireland, and wales are weaker and much easier to control as kingdom vassals within a new empire

[pablo.mentelle]

Originally posted by Random:

If your government is feudal and the target is tribal, it will not allow you to give them a kingdom title or if the character is unlanded you cant give them a kingdom title.

That's pretty much the only restrictions, unless you have viceroyalty kingdoms and are chosing give land as opposed to give viceroy

Just ensure the target has land like a duke inside the dejure kingdom, also try to avoid people with claims outside of it, as with the added power they will start making your borders look like garbage with their claims (also creates unnecessary internal wars prevent succession changes)

England is a bit of a powerhouse kingdom, inside britannia. scotland, ireland, and wales are weaker and much easier to control as kingdom vassals within a new empire

Thanks i will take that into consideration :D. I think the problem then is that the ones i was trying to give land are still tribe government type, and im feudal, so maybe thats the problem

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[Ea0]

Originally posted by gregoryk64:

There is no penalty for holding too many kingdoms as there is with duchies or demense titles

Besides the -20 opinion (worse if they are ambitious) for everyone with a duchy title in one of your kingdoms that's not your primary kingdom.

[football5680]

Originally posted by gregoryk64:

Originally posted by pablo.mentelle:

True, it was more of a doubt i had then a need becouse i wanted to give Norway to some count (first, later i check with a duke but still no) becouse i wanted to have control over that area more easily. I guess ill just keep the kingdoms for now

Once you achieve the level of emperor, the only time you should consider granting a kingdom is if you are over vassal limit. And then, grant it as a viceroyalty to the oldest duke de Jure to the kingdom so they don't live long enough to make a mess of the realm.

I find it easier to deal with a few powerful kings over 20 or so dukes. If the council is allowed to vote on war declaration, they cannot join factions so they are no longer a threat. The only dangerous time period is right after succession when the council is discontent but if you have a decent character with no major negative opinion traits, sending them a gift is usually enough to dissuage them from joining any faction.