Marrying a Countess in another realm question

[dolomitesprint]

One of my Sons is betrothed (normally) to a Countess of a couple of Counties in France, under a Duke. If I give him a County of his own (I'm Duke level in another realm), what happens to their combined titles when they have children?
By that I mean if they have a Son, I know he's my Dynasty and he may inherit the all their titles (assume for arguement's sake inheritance laws allow it, Primo for example), but how can I work out who his liege will be - me or the French duke?

[gregoryk64]

This is mainly determined by the crown law of the realm. If inheritance is restricted, then titles cannot pass outside the realm.

To use your example, let's assume that both your realm and France have the law restricting inheritance and both have primogeniture succession. If your heir and his wife the countess have two sons, each would inherit a title - one in your realm and one in France. The second would stay a part of France as law prevents the title from leaving the realm. If France does not have this law, then both titles would be inheritied by the eldest son and the Franch counties would become part of your realm.

Be careful, because this can work both ways. If you do not have restricted inheritance law, your son's heir would inherit all titles and they would all become part of France. I've lost a couple of counties and duchies this way simply because I wans't paying attention.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

If your son dies first the child will be your vassal and then inherit its mothers land. Otherwise the reverse assuming no interference from succession type and crown laws.

[dolomitesprint]

Ahh Ok, I think I've got it. Basically, France might change the law and stop titles leaving, or they might change from Primo, or the wrong Count(ess) might die first. Too risky. I won't land him, I can't risk Wessex - it's my RL home and it wouldn't be right.
Cheers for the help. I'll keep the betrothal and let him quietly spread the dynasty across France on his own.

[gregoryk64]

Originally posted by dolomitesprint:

Ahh Ok, I think I've got it. Basically, France might change the law and stop titles leaving, or they might change from Primo, or the wrong Count(ess) might die first. Too risky. I won't land him, I can't risk Wessex - it's my RL home and it wouldn't be right.
Cheers for the help. I'll keep the betrothal and let him quietly spread the dynasty across France on his own.

As long as you have the crown law restricting inheritance you are fine. The worst case scenario in that case is that on succession you keep Wessex, the French counties stay part of France and you have a relative or two across the channel who have claims on your titles.

[dolomitesprint]

I didn't risk landing him, but I did find that once he was married, I could invite him back and his 3rd and subsequent children were all born into my court. None are direct heirs, but there's a claim or two that I can push in a few years (or better if I get a bit 'murdery') so it wasn't a bad bit of business really. I assume his first two children would have stayed in France as they are heirs, but I didn't bring him into my Court until after they were born so that's something to try next time as I'm not certain.
For now, I have bigger issues; I'm a King and warring with almost every Duke and Count as they all came out as Lollard in the space of a week and made their vassels convert too.
Thanks again for the help, by the way - it's appreciated.