Never buying Square-Enix game for full price again. Ever.

[Atermi]

Well, all recent Square games are quite decent or even great.
But all of them tend to loose price with a speed of pain.
What was $40 yesterday, shall be $4 tomorrow, with the constant 80% sales.

They are really decent, but treated like a worthless garbage.
Since now, I'm never gonna buy them at full price, knowing that in less then 6 month they will loose 50% of the base price and then have a 80% discount at every sale.

[KoBa]

My golden rule: only buy -75% + complete pack
Always wait until ALL DLC are out!

So i can buy 5 games instead of 1. You just have to be patient. :D

[Atermi]

Escrito originalmente por Fire.al:

ahah dont give them your money because they make good games and good offers too! PERFECT LOGIC..

Yes. Because they have millions of dollars and I don't. So I can wait for -80% instead of pre-ordering.

Escrito originalmente por Fire.al:

almost as smart as thinking that games go on sale just because they are bad or unsuccesfull (so steam is a huge collection of trashy games with the exceptions of call of duty and the sims 3 right?)..

All games go on -40-75% off sometimes. Square games go on -80% all the time, multiple times per year, and their base price goes down by half in 3 months.

You wanted to imply that I am cod and sims3 fan? I play Dark Souls and Total War series.

Escrito originalmente por Fire.al:

and anyway the op base statement it's not even true that happens to most of the games on steam i just got bioshock infinite for 7.50 euros (-75%) somithing like only half an year after it's relase while to buy tomb raider i picked a -66% sale more than six months after the relase..

Me too. That was the first big sale of BI and it was totally unexpected.
Sleeping Dogs and Hitman are treated like a worthless garbage, always given at 3-4 dollars multiple times per year, after they used to cost $30-40 at release.
You see the difference? Or no?

And your smart**ss tone is amusing.

[samuricex]

Escrito originalmente por qp Chr0n0gedd0n:

My golden rule: only buy -75% + complete pack
Always wait until ALL DLC are out!

So i can buy 5 games instead of 1. You just have to be patient. :D

Exactly. This seems like what the TC wants to do, but if he's not patient enough then it's really his own fault. Hell, I waited to buy TR, but I liked it enough that I feel it's worth paying full price when the sequel is released. Some games though, I will be doing the same as you, waiting until a great deal shows up. :D

[Galleoth]

Well, about Hitman... I don't know what to say exactly. It had the potentional, but it lacked the proper graphics, and gameplay balance that other SE title has.
I think this "strange looking" graphic environment really took away a lot of joy from the game. Also it feels like it can't decide which path to take: the stealth or die, or the casual shooter.

That's the only SE title I wouldn't buy for the initial 50€ price, but on summer sale I got it, which is good enough.

Also the reasons why you don't see other "big studios" do big sales here:
Ubisoft has UPlay and most discounts apply only there. /+ they had a very serious f*ckup with their store any sold thousands of copys of AC4 for 1-2 dollars due to an error, I guess they weren't too happy, and keen to give more discounts/
EA discussed above.
CoD series (Activision): They have absolutely no reason to give any discount, beucase their games make a lot of money regardless of price/sold copies. Check the price of CoD 1 or 2 for example.
Bethesda: Fallouts are on daily sale usually, well RAGE is just sad, Dishonored was on sale as well, same for Skyrim. Why Skyrim didn't go on sale as fast as TR? Well Skyrim had a really crazy hype, and even tho game came out months earlier than it should have it sold crazy well.
2K: Their games are usually on flash sale too, but since they are following EA's footsteps on moving core game content into separate DLC they have a lot of extra profit.
Looking at Borderlands 1-2 here.

+for Bioshock Infinite: Check the initial prise of the DLCs and you will see why they didn't made sales earlier (they did actually, just lower %). Same as EA, just as I said. You either move core content to DLCs or you will make less money.

Of course, Tomb Raider could have sold a bit more (the numbers they have now is very nice already imo), but they started the marketing campaign too late, and didn't went that well either.

[pipi long stocking]

as a long time PC gamer, I'm actually quite impressed with Square Enix, that's 3 games in a row that have not disappointed, Sleeping dogs, Hitman absolution and Tomb Raider. they're bad arse.

[DayOfTheSheep]

Escrito originalmente por pipi long stocking:

as a long time PC gamer, I'm actually quite impressed with Square Enix, that's 3 games in a row that have not disappointed, Sleeping dogs, Hitman absolution and Tomb Raider. they're bad arse.

I haven' made much headway in Sleeping Dogs, I like the story concept, don't really like the driving that much and for an open world style game it has this kinda closed in feel but I'll get back too it.

Haven't played Hitman and Tomb Raider is really good. Concept on DLCs still pisses me off though.

[DayOfTheSheep]

Escrito originalmente por Galleoth:

+for Bioshock Infinite: Check the initial prise of the DLCs and you will see why they didn't made sales earlier (they did actually, just lower %). Same as EA, just as I said. You either move core content to DLCs or you will make less money.

Too an extent I have to disagree. DLC = More money but is driven purely by greed.

But company's that release absolute complete games no dlc just full games aren't exactly struggling. Since they weren't stupid enough to float on the stock exchange.

But Square Enix I think is struggling the tell tale signs of cash grabs such as Deus Ex HR Directors Cut which is a complete bomb and now FF8 which uses a Midi soundtrack inferior to the PS1 version.

And a lot of people won't buy games simply because of DLC, they'll wait until it's GOTY and on sale since there is so many other games to play.
♥♥♥♥ even The Witcher 2 which is a complete game people waited for a sale and their launch price of $50 which is pretty damn reasonable you can't argue with that.
Even though the price has come down people still wait for it to go on sale.

DLC can be a hurdle for getting sales particularly with some (and some being millions) people who will turn their nose up at a game an forget about it when they can get 10 games for 5 bucks on humble bundle it's easy to forget about.

DLC is flawed logic. No BF4 for me this time round. I've had my fill of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the last 2 years.

[GoBucks76]

Escrito originalmente por Galleoth:

That's what happens when you try to make unique games instead of the usual generic same name with different number at the end.
This industry as every onther is based on money, and even tho I understand what your point is it's really not SE's fail.

I mean, look at EA games. Their games are rarely go on sales, and even when they do it's really a very low % like 10-25.
And then look at The Sims franchise. They release like 20 furniture, 10 extra hairstyle, or some worthless piece of nothing, give a fancy name to it, and ask 20$+ for it.
And people buy it. Even tho it's a f*cking joke, but they buy it. That's why EA games are not on sale. That's why it's OK. to move core game content into DLCs, and if you check latest SE titles their DLCs are either cosmetical, or multiplayer related.

So following decent business tactics, and trying to be innvoative (looking at Tomb Raider's TressFX which is the FIRST on the market as far as I know) does not pay out at all, and they will be forced to make garbage "buy DLC or half game for 50$"

So that's why I pre-order from decent studios, even if they are games are released kinda bugged, and stuff, because there is only under that in pretty much 90% of the market :)

So EA never discounts their games more than 10-25%? So why are they having a sale THIS WEEKEND on titles like Crysis 3, Battlefied 3, Deep Space 3 and the Mass Efffect series of 50% at Origin.com? Even a brand new title like Battlefield 4 is showing a 20% discount.

Steam sales have enabled LOTS of gamers to pick up titles for far less than their original pricing - and many titles that aren't being carried on retail shelves anymore have moved to digital distribution, often at highly discounted pricing.

If you pick up a PS4 or Xbox One during the initial release I'm sure you'll pay more for it than a year later - iPads are cheaper when new models are released and nobody questions the wisdom of Apple dropping the price for something that was more expensive a few days ago. It's just the way things are done and I'm not sure why softwre is any different. And to be honest, many times buying the game later will get you a version of the product that has been patched for bugs or glitches that the first-adopters have to deal with.

So I don't see why this is such a bad value...

[Travis]

aah, bellla

[Galleoth]

Escrito originalmente por GoBucks76:

Escrito originalmente por Galleoth:

That's what happens when you try to make unique games instead of the usual generic same name with different number at the end.
This industry as every onther is based on money, and even tho I understand what your point is it's really not SE's fail.

I mean, look at EA games. Their games are rarely go on sales, and even when they do it's really a very low % like 10-25.
And then look at The Sims franchise. They release like 20 furniture, 10 extra hairstyle, or some worthless piece of nothing, give a fancy name to it, and ask 20$+ for it.
And people buy it. Even tho it's a f*cking joke, but they buy it. That's why EA games are not on sale. That's why it's OK. to move core game content into DLCs, and if you check latest SE titles their DLCs are either cosmetical, or multiplayer related.

So following decent business tactics, and trying to be innvoative (looking at Tomb Raider's TressFX which is the FIRST on the market as far as I know) does not pay out at all, and they will be forced to make garbage "buy DLC or half game for 50$"

So that's why I pre-order from decent studios, even if they are games are released kinda bugged, and stuff, because there is only under that in pretty much 90% of the market :)

So EA never discounts their games more than 10-25%? So why are they having a sale THIS WEEKEND on titles like Crysis 3, Battlefied 3, Deep Space 3 and the Mass Efffect series of 50% at Origin.com? Even a brand new title like Battlefield 4 is showing a 20% discount.

Steam sales have enabled LOTS of gamers to pick up titles for far less than their original pricing - and many titles that aren't being carried on retail shelves anymore have moved to digital distribution, often at highly discounted pricing.

If you pick up a PS4 or Xbox One during the initial release I'm sure you'll pay more for it than a year later - iPads are cheaper when new models are released and nobody questions the wisdom of Apple dropping the price for something that was more expensive a few days ago. It's just the way things are done and I'm not sure why softwre is any different. And to be honest, many times buying the game later will get you a version of the product that has been patched for bugs or glitches that the first-adopters have to deal with.

So I don't see why this is such a bad value...

Crysis, Deep Space were in the Origin bundle, and BF3 is "useless" now / = the people who want to play that game switch to BF4/, so it's just promotion.

But like I said THEY GO on sale, just with much lower percentage, and much less often.
And I hope you get the difference between hardware and software :)

Also I have no problem with any discout/bundling up, in fact it's a really nice guesture, and marketing strategy, I just pointed out, that companys, or even more accurately games that are published with a lot of spearate DLCs have financial advantage over the other ones.

[Alex00s]

LOL I`m never buying games for full price.;)

[craig234]

If no one pays full price, the budget will go down and the games will be lower quality. They need those who can afford it to pay more, and those who can't pay less.

[DayOfTheSheep]

Escrito originalmente por craig2345:

If no one pays full price, the budget will go down and the games will be lower quality. They need those who can afford it to pay more, and those who can't pay less.

I'll pay full price from time to time, even beyond by getting a retail collectors edition. I was so impressed with The Witcher 1 given it was CDPRs very first game and their attitude towards DRM and being fairly priced. So I paid $170 NZD which is a big drop of cash.
But like the first game I was glued to it for hours on end and have no problem recommending it.

I dropped $170 on Deus Ex HR Collectors edition aswell thinking it was going to be awesome, since you know Square Enix with Final Fantasy and Eidos with Tomb Raider classics that I love.

But I got burnt showing my support on that one.

At lest Tomb Raider is well polished, the dlc thing is still irritating.

[Atmic]

Escrito originalmente por craig2345:

I dropped $170 on Deus Ex HR Collectors edition aswell thinking it was going to be awesome, since you know Square Enix with Final Fantasy and Eidos with Tomb Raider classics that I love.

But I got burnt showing my support on that one.

At lest Tomb Raider is well polished, the dlc thing is still irritating.

...not sure I would feel justfied with a $170 purchase of *any* game, but Deus Ex: HR was fantastic. Of course, I believe I bought it on a 25% off sale, which isn't that cheap, but certainly not super expensive. Super well reviewed at that.

Point is, Human Revolution is a well-polished, great game. I can empathize with you though if you paid $170 for a game (any game)

[DayOfTheSheep]

Escrito originalmente por Atmic:

Escrito originalmente por craig2345:

I dropped $170 on Deus Ex HR Collectors edition aswell thinking it was going to be awesome, since you know Square Enix with Final Fantasy and Eidos with Tomb Raider classics that I love.

But I got burnt showing my support on that one.

At lest Tomb Raider is well polished, the dlc thing is still irritating.

...not sure I would feel justfied with a $170 purchase of *any* game, but Deus Ex: HR was fantastic. Of course, I believe I bought it on a 25% off sale, which isn't that cheap, but certainly not super expensive. Super well reviewed at that.

Point is, Human Revolution is a well-polished, great game. I can empathize with you though if you paid $170 for a game (any game)

Yeah I show support if I truly believe in and respect the company.
But DX HR really deserved the Crysis treatment, I feel the same about mass effect.
Something that can run on lower end gpus but still justify an upgrade.

Alan Wake is a good example of what a port should be. It looks and feels like a pc game.

I don't think there will be very many times I drop a lot of money on a game, especially from big companys.
The Witcher 3 I'll look at if there's a good collectors edition I might consider it. But I'll probably get more external storage and the regular gog version.

For Physical collectors editions at least you get some stuff, maybe novel but yet tangible products you can hold in your hand instead of just having pre-order bonus crap.

At least there is hope for future games. I see EA/Dice are putting all other projects on hold to fix BF4. Wise move, not that I'll be getting it any time soon.