so iron mace lost the lawsuit

[Diosud_Original]

probably one member of the jury die again and again vs druids

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to my knowledge as someone who doesn't care to even look into it, ive heard they only lost a part of damages that they need to pay which is a fraction of what they've made from the actual games sales and still own rights and now dont have to deal with tedious court cases that drain time/money so overall its good news from what i can tell

[Rikuto01]

SDF has gone on record saying the team is not concerned with the fine and development will continue as planned.

So, did they really lose? Not really. Nexon's goal wasn't to inflict pain, it was to eradicate Ironmace as a warning to any of their other employees from trying to leave and form their own startup. They didn't get a fine large enough to do that, they didn't get ownership of Ironmace or DaD, and they didn't win the copyright battle either.

6 million is nothing to a company like Nexon, and if anything the fallout from the lawsuit has lost them a good portion of market share from any of their future products.

This was a stupid endeavor for Nexon to pursue and people will remember it for a long time.

[Katitoff]

Nexton wanted the game down.
Court ruled there is no copyright infringement or IP theft, so that's a massive, uncontested W for IM that makes nexon eff off after this case.

They lost on trade secrets part, which seems weird to me, given how nexons own version of the game never left concept stage and fantasy DnD classes exploring dungeons for treasures and fighting monsters is most generic DnD thing ever.

[The Unknown]

Origineel geplaatst door Rikuto01:

SDF has gone on record saying the team is not concerned with the fine and development will continue as planned.

So, did they really lose? Not really. Nexon's goal wasn't to inflict pain, it was to eradicate Ironmace as a warning to any of their other employees from trying to leave and form their own startup. They didn't get a fine large enough to do that, they didn't get ownership of Ironmace or DaD, and they didn't win the copyright battle either.

6 million is nothing to a company like Nexon, and if anything the fallout from the lawsuit has lost them a good portion of market share from any of their future products.

This was a stupid endeavor for Nexon to pursue and people will remember it for a long time.

Well criminal litigation should also be beginning as well against iron mace and 1-3 people likely are going to go to prison. It's also not really a dumb thing for nexon to do when if they don't it would be harmful for not just nexon but also people who may try to make smaller games. The reason they won on stealing trade secrets is generally because they made the game all over again because they made it once already when they were employed by nexon.

[Roovka]

Origineel geplaatst door The Unknown:

Origineel geplaatst door Rikuto01:

SDF has gone on record saying the team is not concerned with the fine and development will continue as planned.

So, did they really lose? Not really. Nexon's goal wasn't to inflict pain, it was to eradicate Ironmace as a warning to any of their other employees from trying to leave and form their own startup. They didn't get a fine large enough to do that, they didn't get ownership of Ironmace or DaD, and they didn't win the copyright battle either.

6 million is nothing to a company like Nexon, and if anything the fallout from the lawsuit has lost them a good portion of market share from any of their future products.

This was a stupid endeavor for Nexon to pursue and people will remember it for a long time.

Well criminal litigation should also be beginning as well against iron mace and 1-3 people likely are going to go to prison. It's also not really a dumb thing for nexon to do when if they don't it would be harmful for not just nexon but also people who may try to make smaller games. The reason they won on stealing trade secrets is generally because they made the game all over again because they made it once already when they were employed by nexon.

Source on Criminal Litigations and people going to prison?

[Vangalisk]

They didn't do your research the game will not close they are good.

[The Unknown]

Origineel geplaatst door Roovka:

Origineel geplaatst door The Unknown:

Well criminal litigation should also be beginning as well against iron mace and 1-3 people likely are going to go to prison. It's also not really a dumb thing for nexon to do when if they don't it would be harmful for not just nexon but also people who may try to make smaller games. The reason they won on stealing trade secrets is generally because they made the game all over again because they made it once already when they were employed by nexon.

Source on Criminal Litigations and people going to prison?

https://biz.chosun.com/en/en-it/2025/02/14/OQGZCZMLSVCPBPJQAA7LS34H3Y/

“Alongside the civil lawsuit, Ironmace and its associates have been referred for charges of trade secret misappropriation, copyright law violations, and breach of trust.”

"Nexon claimed, “They organized the project and created a similar game,” and filed both civil and criminal lawsuits simultaneously from last year"

"The ongoing criminal case by the prosecution may also influence the civil case depending on which charges are acknowledged. "

[Rikuto01]

The criminal charges against specific individuals are unlikely as time and time again they have been unable to turn up any evidence after multiple police raids (two of which were done without due process and got an individual inside the department fired)

Though in the event they did go to jail, you know what would happen? We'd probably get better balance.

[The Unknown]

Origineel geplaatst door Rikuto01:

The criminal charges against specific individuals are unlikely as time and time again they have been unable to turn up any evidence after multiple police raids.

Though in the event they did go to jail, you know what would happen? We'd probably get better balance.

They lost the part of the civil lawsuit in regards to tradesecrets. Which in south korea you can go to prison for "trade secret misappropriation" and it's up to 10 years or around 346k usd.

[Roovka]

Origineel geplaatst door Rikuto01:

The criminal charges against specific individuals are unlikely as time and time again they have been unable to turn up any evidence after multiple police raids (two of which were done without due process and got an individual inside the department fired)

Though in the event they did go to jail, you know what would happen? We'd probably get better balance.

Unironically if SDF went to jail and someone else took over balance decisions the game would probably be in a better state.

[Rikuto01]

Origineel geplaatst door The Unknown:

Origineel geplaatst door Rikuto01:

The criminal charges against specific individuals are unlikely as time and time again they have been unable to turn up any evidence after multiple police raids.

Though in the event they did go to jail, you know what would happen? We'd probably get better balance.

They lost the part of the civil lawsuit in regards to tradesecrets. Which in south korea you can go to prison for "trade secret misappropriation" and it's up to 10 years or around 346k usd.

That was basically just the legal concession prize to Nexon for being a big corporation and existing. In South Korea the courts always bend the knee to the big corporations. I doubt anything else will happen.

[The Unknown]

Origineel geplaatst door Rikuto01:

Origineel geplaatst door The Unknown:

They lost the part of the civil lawsuit in regards to tradesecrets. Which in south korea you can go to prison for "trade secret misappropriation" and it's up to 10 years or around 346k usd.

That was basically just the legal concession prize to Nexon for being a big corporation and existing. In South Korea the courts always bend the knee to the big corporations. I doubt anything else will happen.

There was deemed enough evidence that they used their trade secrets. Which regardless of how you look at it they did otherwise they wouldn't have been able to make that game as quickly or may have used either more different assets from the store or used more original ones. Either way criminal litigation is pending so we'll find out what happens at a later date.

[Rikuto01]

Origineel geplaatst door The Unknown:

Origineel geplaatst door Rikuto01:

That was basically just the legal concession prize to Nexon for being a big corporation and existing. In South Korea the courts always bend the knee to the big corporations. I doubt anything else will happen.

There was deemed enough evidence that they used their trade secrets. Which regardless of how you look at it they did otherwise they wouldn't have been able to make that game as quickly or may have used either more different assets from the store or used more original ones. Either way criminal litigation is pending so we'll find out what happens at a later date.

The third party used to investigate both claims of trade secret manipulation as well as copyright infringement determined there was not enough evidence for either claim, and recommended the court not pursue either charge.

The court did regardless, despite lack of evidence, because that's how courts in South Korea work. They don't have to prove anything to pass judgment. They are biased. Heavily. Their government is extremely dependent on corporate Korea and does its best not to piss off any of the conglomerates. You can trust the findings of a third party more than you can trust the rulings of the court.

In the end though, this is likely as bad as it will get.

[The Unknown]

Origineel geplaatst door Rikuto01:

Origineel geplaatst door The Unknown:

There was deemed enough evidence that they used their trade secrets. Which regardless of how you look at it they did otherwise they wouldn't have been able to make that game as quickly or may have used either more different assets from the store or used more original ones. Either way criminal litigation is pending so we'll find out what happens at a later date.

The third party used to investigate both claims of trade secret manipulation as well as copyright infringement determined there was not enough evidence for either claim, and recommended the court not pursue either charge.

The court did regardless, despite lack of evidence, because that's how courts in South Korea work. They don't have to prove anything to pass judgment. They are biased. Heavily. Their government is extremely dependent on corporate Korea and does its best not to piss off any of the conglomerates. You can trust the findings of a third party more than you can trust the rulings of the court.

In the end though, this is likely as bad as it will get.

Can you post the source?

[Fran]

Nice bait