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DOA Sep 17, 2024 @ 10:23am
How to counter dagger rogue?
I can't block, I cant attack back fast enough. I can't run. No amount of armor matters. Makes me cry a little.
Last edited by DOA; Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:20am
Originally posted by bobmoviemachines:
use shield mastery on fighter, then every block you are rewarded with a sped up counter
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Tetø Sep 17, 2024 @ 10:37am 
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DOA Sep 17, 2024 @ 10:51am 
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Roovka Sep 17, 2024 @ 10:51am 
Out DPS them. Legit, Rogues shouldn't be winning against someone with a weapon and shield in a straight up fight.

Rogues are one of the weakest classes in the game right now, with only 1 or 2 favorable matchups and only with specific setups.
モModoド Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:03am 
Why you cant block?
You can easly block them witha shield, after a block they normally run away or die.
DOA Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:04am 
I'll try blocking more then. What is the best block pos for that, a crouch matrix?
Sarokan Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by DOA:
I can't block, I cant attack back fast enough. I can't run. No amount of armor matters. Seems unblanced.

As a fighter or barbarian, a rouge shouldn't be a problem unless he completely caught you off guard or weakened you too much with ranged attacks. Dagger attacks can also be blocked with practice.

Also bear in mind that rouges are greatly outmatched by other melee classes in terms of armor and HP. As soon as a rouge has taken one or two hits, he is as good as dead.
I therefore recommend that you either weaken the rouge at range first and then finish him off in close combat, or be flexible in close combat. It's also no shame to back off a little in close combat and then charge again. But when you are in close combat, it is important not to drop back, but always try to deal damage. Hesitation in combat costs DnD lives.
Last edited by Sarokan; Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:08am
Major Lee Ree Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by Roovka:
Out DPS them. Legit, Rogues shouldn't be winning against someone with a weapon and shield in a straight up fight.

Rogues are one of the weakest classes in the game right now, with only 1 or 2 favorable matchups and only with specific setups.

Yeah use a big weapon that can two tap and out dps them and never put your weapon away because if they catch you like that and you have to get your weapon out you won't survive in most cases
Last edited by Major Lee Ree; Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:09am
Double N'wah Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:13am 
Originally posted by DOA:
I can't block, I cant attack back fast enough. I can't run. No amount of armor matters. Seems unblanced.
Push yourself into the rogue and you will be too close for his weapons to register as hitting you. They have 2 huge deadzones on daggers.

I give this advice satirically to mock the devs not fixing this yet. So yea its meta, go do it. Bonus points if you torch smack him through a door by crouching and looking down, goes right through the door and hits the guy on the other side. Jgriffyuh or whatever did this, some consider him the best D&D streamer. So its totally approved by the pros and devs apparently.
Last edited by Double N'wah; Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:14am
Roovka Sep 17, 2024 @ 11:16am 
Originally posted by Nolife Tryhard:
Originally posted by DOA:
I can't block, I cant attack back fast enough. I can't run. No amount of armor matters. Seems unblanced.
Push yourself into the rogue and you will be too close for his weapons to register as hitting you. They have 2 huge deadzones on daggers.

I give this advice satirically to mock the devs not fixing this yet. So yea its meta, go do it. Bonus points if you torch smack him through a door by crouching and looking down, goes right through the door and hits the guy on the other side.

This advice is actually beneficial to the rogue, because it is not hard to "swipe" your mouse to negate this "deadzone".
Herbspiceguy Sep 17, 2024 @ 12:52pm 
You hit them on the head 2 or 3 times and they fall down. Rogue is one of the weakest classes right now, since they're not faster and have to hug you to do damage, and then you most likely win a 1-on-1 melee fight.
They may have an advantage if you fail to spot a rogue beforehand or suck at being aware of your surroundings and sounds, but even if they do get the land on you first, they're weak and odds are you'll win.
Double N'wah Sep 17, 2024 @ 1:04pm 
Originally posted by Roovka:
Originally posted by Nolife Tryhard:
Push yourself into the rogue and you will be too close for his weapons to register as hitting you. They have 2 huge deadzones on daggers.

I give this advice satirically to mock the devs not fixing this yet. So yea its meta, go do it. Bonus points if you torch smack him through a door by crouching and looking down, goes right through the door and hits the guy on the other side.

This advice is actually beneficial to the rogue, because it is not hard to "swipe" your mouse to negate this "deadzone".
Its mostly beneficial when the rogue clips through your shield and hits you despite blocking. These are the real issues with the game which deserving fixing tbh.
Nill Sep 17, 2024 @ 3:20pm 
Originally posted by DOA:
I'll try blocking more then. What is the best block pos for that, a crouch matrix?

Just dont let any rogue get you by the back, they deal 30% more damage attacking from the back.
Nill Sep 17, 2024 @ 3:22pm 
Originally posted by Roovka:
Out DPS them. Legit, Rogues shouldn't be winning against someone with a weapon and shield in a straight up fight.

Rogues are one of the weakest classes in the game right now, with only 1 or 2 favorable matchups and only with specific setups.

Not true, learn how to make a build, rogues are one of the strongest classes, they can kill pretty easily if the build is done right and if the player has the skills to evade range attacks.

But any tank build can be easily defeated by good rogues, by their speed they can choose where to fight, thats one of the biggest advantages.

It def is the best class if the player has the skills to make it the strongest.
Last edited by Nill; Sep 17, 2024 @ 3:25pm
Roovka Sep 17, 2024 @ 3:31pm 
Originally posted by Nill:
Originally posted by Roovka:
Out DPS them. Legit, Rogues shouldn't be winning against someone with a weapon and shield in a straight up fight.

Rogues are one of the weakest classes in the game right now, with only 1 or 2 favorable matchups and only with specific setups.

Not true, learn how to make a build, rogues are one of the strongest classes, they can kill pretty easily if the build is done right and if the player has the skills to evade range attacks.

But any tank build can be easily defeated by good rogues, by their speed they can choose where to fight, thats one of the biggest advantages.

It def is the best class if the player has the skills to make it the strongest.

Rogues do not win head to head match ups against any melee oriented class in melee unless they get the first good hit, and I'm not talking about a hand crossbow shot or 2. Melee classes literally melt you in 2-3 swings, especially Barb.

Rogues do not win head to head match ups against any ranged oriented class at range for obvious reasons.

Rogues only win midrange fights if their inventory is literally filled with throwing knives and they dodge everything, which as you get higher up is much more difficult to do.

The amount of effort you need to put in to be a "good" Rogue compared to being a good Fighter or Ranger is astronomical and they still have more unfavorable matchups than any other class.

Also, brother, you only have 14 hours total in the game, you have zero clue what Rogues good matchups are.
Last edited by Roovka; Sep 17, 2024 @ 3:33pm
Nill Sep 17, 2024 @ 3:47pm 
Originally posted by Roovka:
Originally posted by Nill:

Not true, learn how to make a build, rogues are one of the strongest classes, they can kill pretty easily if the build is done right and if the player has the skills to evade range attacks.

But any tank build can be easily defeated by good rogues, by their speed they can choose where to fight, thats one of the biggest advantages.

It def is the best class if the player has the skills to make it the strongest.

Rogues do not win head to head match ups against any melee oriented class in melee unless they get the first good hit, and I'm not talking about a hand crossbow shot or 2. Melee classes literally melt you in 2-3 swings, especially Barb.

Rogues do not win head to head match ups against any ranged oriented class at range for obvious reasons.

Rogues only win midrange fights if their inventory is literally filled with throwing knives and they dodge everything, which as you get higher up is much more difficult to do.

The amount of effort you need to put in to be a "good" Rogue compared to being a good Fighter or Ranger is astronomical and they still have more unfavorable matchups than any other class.

Also, brother, you only have 14 hours total in the game, you have zero clue what Rogues good matchups are.


LOL I have 14 hours on steam

Do you know that this game was playable way before getting to steam?

And obviously rogues wont win a head to head match, thats because they need to be oportunistic. Any pvp rogue build can be made to them get "easily" (easily if the player has the movement and spacial awareness skills) behind your back and kill you. You cant play rogue with a "melee head to head mindset", even if the first hits start, they can vanish and appear in your back, or bring you to another place where they can get to a higher ground.

You wont be gaining anything if playing rogue thinking the way to play it is just getting in front of someone and smash the mouse button.

For pvp rogue invisiblity or smoke is a need.

The secondary dagger (which most times has more damage) can hit 3 times in less than 2 seconds, if its poisoned and they do hit it by your back (which gives 30% more damage + 15% from dagger mastery) you're done in literally 2 seconds
Last edited by Nill; Sep 17, 2024 @ 4:07pm
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