@Ironmace, give us a mode where you don't lose your equipment!

[Sarokan]

Hello everyone!

Let's speak frankly. Dark and Darker is awesome, but the game concept has a real problem!

1) I don't know about you, but many of us (including myself) never play normal rounds with our super hot and expensive gear. It's understandable, if you've farmed several days for your epic or legendary gear, which can cost between 10K and 20K gold, you don't want to lose it because of randoms or bad luck or just a stupid mistake. Ergo, outside of professional teams, most of the best gear gets stuck in the closet and accumulates dust.

2) Is this a lack of courage? No, but a wise decision. There are many situations and reasons why you can die in the game, and not all of them can be influenced. That's why the game suffers from the fact that many people don't play with the hard-earned armor, even though they would like to use the new possibilities just for the fun of it.

3) My earnest request to Ironmace is to create a new mode where you can't lose all your gear or at least get equivalent compensation (e.g. epic for epic). Otherwise the game threatens to stagnate further and that the player base - apart from the HR ranking - is almost exclusively in the under 125 or under 25 equipment level. However, this will make the quests and much of the game content obsolete again. There must be an appropriate alternative mode for all players who don't want to play all or nothing all the time.

And now it's your turn!

What are your experiences? How do you see it?

Objective responses are welcome!

[Kangaroo Salesman]

I don't think that'll ever happen because it's a hardcore dungeon crawler.

[Sarokan]

Originally posted by Kangaroo Salesman:

I don't think that'll ever happen because it's a hardcore dungeon crawler.

It's a hardcore dungeon crawler, no doubt about that. But what game makes it a "national sport" that players only play with puny gear in HR or Norms to avoid a total loss?

I think we can all agree that dying in the game should have noticeable consequences or bring a small victory for the successful winner. But the current game concept is half-baked. No smart player wants to lose their hard-earned gear because of a stupid mistake of randoms or just bad luck.

Ironmace will have to adapt to this in the long term. At the latest when player numbers go down again.

[CriX Doomsday]

Oh boyl,, you sahould play Tarkov then start whining...

[Sarokan]

Originally posted by CriX Doomsday:

Oh boyl,, you sahould play Tarkov then start whining...

Btw, what other games do interests nothing here.
This is all about Dark and Darker and its future!
And learn to write a correct sentence first. My goodness...

[Kangaroo Salesman]

Originally posted by Sarokan:

Originally posted by Kangaroo Salesman:

I don't think that'll ever happen because it's a hardcore dungeon crawler.

It's a hardcore dungeon crawler, no doubt about that. But what game makes it a "national sport" that players only play with puny gear in HR or Norms to avoid a total loss?

I think we can all agree that dying in the game should have noticeable consequences or bring a small victory for the successful winner. But the current game concept is half-baked. No smart player wants to lose their hard-earned gear because of a stupid mistake of randoms or just bad luck.

Ironmace will have to adapt to this in the long term. At the latest when player numbers go down again.

You've answered why in the first sentence. Hardcore means you lose everything upon death. Case closed.

[Rikuto01]

Thats pretty much what the squire is for. You didnt used to get any access to freebies like that.

[Sarokan]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

Thats pretty much what the squire is for. You didnt used to get any access to freebies like that.

The game used to look pretty bad too. So that's not a good argument.

[Rikuto01]

Originally posted by Sarokan:

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

Thats pretty much what the squire is for. You didnt used to get any access to freebies like that.

The game used to look pretty bad too. So that's not a good argument.

The squire was made to address that exact request though. People wanted a more stable build to start from where they would risk nothing.

[Sarokan]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

Originally posted by Sarokan:

The game used to look pretty bad too. So that's not a good argument.

The squire was made to address that exact request though. People wanted a more stable build to start from where they would risk nothing.

Yea, that's true. But unfortunately or naturally, players still want to have some security later on.

Why is up to 125 the mode where most players are currently playing? Exactly, because not everyone has the time and leisure to make up for a total loss. The developers should take this into account. I'm curious to see if the announced arena mode will bring some progress in this area.

[Rikuto01]

Meanwhile im out of stash space because i have too much money.

First world problems i suppose. Im TRYING to lose gear.

[Kangaroo Salesman]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

Meanwhile im out of stash space because i have too much money.

First world problems i suppose. Im TRYING to lose gear.

Same for me. If only the Lich kill quest worked then i could get another page. :/

[Sarokan]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

Meanwhile im out of stash space because i have too much money.

First world problems i suppose. Im TRYING to lose gear.

Well, if you're at a point where losing a full set of epic or legendary armor no longer hurts you, then you've made it. Congratulations :D

[Elikir]

While i do agree with the concept because of reasons said by the OP, because best stuff gonna take dust in our stash while many will simply keep playing low gear level (seing lvl 150-200 fame/adventurer in gear level below 25)

The thing is, if you can keep all of your great stuff even if losing, you're gonna have those problems :

1) Market/player exchanges gonna lose its meaning, as you're gonna get rapidly the best stuff and just ditch everything else, reducing the amount of stuff you're gonna actually buy and use, and once you keep "best gear" why bother checking other stuff? you already have the best

2) Since you don't lose your gear, but then your killer STILL get your gear, that mean its only a matter of time before everyone else get their "copy" of that sweet best gear (all legendary full gear everyone?)

3) since you can always keep your best gear secured, that means every other loot gonna become rapidly stale, and the rush of dopamine from getting that sweet high rarity loot also gonna disappear, removing one of the fun part of the game : LOOTING

[doonz.]

i've thought about that and it really sucks loosing all your gear but this is not how the game works.
One way to makes things less hurtfull is to make a item [that you only find and are not purchasable ] that f uction as an enchantment: when you die you only left 2-3 random items from your gear.
But again, I undestand both sides. And it's really frustating loosing all your gear that you had so much work to get.
There is no point using my best gear if I'm gonna loose because bad luck.

[Sarokan]

The more you are personal attacked for a critical post, the more you can be sure that you are on the right path. So far I have only read a few people here who can articulate a concrete argument that can be discussed.

So thank you for all the unobjective, stupid and ignorant feedback. They only confirm that their owners have not fully read and understood my post. However, it shows me that my idea is right and important to create a new incentive.