panther and bear are useless

[ToyJesus]

there are no scenarios where being a bear or panther isn't just worse than using your weapon. Chicken and rat are fine though.

[ecig]

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

Originally posted by Kangaroo Salesman:

You can panther jump tech to bear form right into an overhead normally 1/2 hitting them, stacking str can do 150+ in one hit. I've seen and done this. Druid is the most mobile class in the game as you can't outrun or out elevate him. Panther is more for chasing, silencing, or distance jumping.

Try hard mechanics are neat and all, but it really kills the class fantasy when you have to be slow and useless or hit like a wet noodle. I don't feel like a bear, I feel like a cripple in a wheelchair too wide to fit through doors.

you lost the discussion when you admitted to panther/bear being useful but requiring skill(tryhardness/a moticum of brain power), go to sleep noob

[Kangaroo Salesman]

Originally posted by Saint Scorpio:

Originally posted by Kangaroo Salesman:

Incorrect about being useless. You can stack str in low gs to delete people in sub 25. It works quite well because they can't hit you hard enough to kill the bear. Man doesn't know how to use it without high stats.

With 20 STR you do 40 damage with your alt attack, 60 in the head, not counting armour. Considering how slow and avoidable it is, t's complete garbage compared to just hitting them with a mace or spear. They can easily hit you hard enough to kill you as a bear; I do it all the time.

Damn everything you said was wrong. How can i hit for 125dmg with bear overhead sub 25 GS stacking str, i have one shot people before; and base 50% or 65% pdr using wild ability is somehow easy to kill? Just tell me you don't know how to use them effectively.

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Saint Scorpio:

They're useless at low gear scores, but over perform at high gear scores. The panther got nerfed because you could run people down and maul them to death in like 2 seconds at 50 agility. There is a good chance they'll nerf bear form next because it can one shot. The problem is that the more they nerf these forms for high gear score situations, the worse and worse they get for low gear score, and they're already complete trash compared to just being a human and hitting your opponent with a mace or spear, ruining the draw to play Druid. They need to come up with a solution that allows the Druid forms to maintain effectiveness at low scores while reining in their performance at high scores.

The issue with bear and panther could honestly be remedied with adjusting to scaling to scale quicker early with lower stats, but gradually slow down once you start getting higher levels of Strength or Agility.

[Sherryge]

Druid's scaling abillity should be nerfed but since it sucks so much at lower gs druid definitely needs flat number buffs rather than the % based stuff it already has. its kinda like rogue being bad without gear but being a menace with bis

[Computron]

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

Originally posted by Kangaroo Salesman:

You can panther jump tech to bear form right into an overhead normally 1/2 hitting them, stacking str can do 150+ in one hit. I've seen and done this. Druid is the most mobile class in the game as you can't outrun or out elevate him. Panther is more for chasing, silencing, or distance jumping.

Try hard mechanics are neat and all, but it really kills the class fantasy when you have to be slow and useless or hit like a wet noodle. I don't feel like a bear, I feel like a cripple in a wheelchair too wide to fit through doors.

You mare a baby.

lmfao

[ToyJesus]

Originally posted by Saint Scorpio:

They're useless at low gear scores, but over perform at high gear scores. The panther got nerfed because you could run people down and maul them to death in like 2 seconds at 50 agility. There is a good chance they'll nerf bear form next because it can one shot. The problem is that the more they nerf these forms for high gear score situations, the worse and worse they get for low gear score, and they're already complete trash compared to just being a human and hitting your opponent with a mace or spear, ruining the draw to play Druid. They need to come up with a solution that allows the Druid forms to maintain effectiveness at low scores while reining in their performance at high scores.

They need to fix the scaling then. It's bad design to have something be entirely dependent on your gear score.

[Computron]

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

Originally posted by Saint Scorpio:

They're useless at low gear scores, but over perform at high gear scores. The panther got nerfed because you could run people down and maul them to death in like 2 seconds at 50 agility. There is a good chance they'll nerf bear form next because it can one shot. The problem is that the more they nerf these forms for high gear score situations, the worse and worse they get for low gear score, and they're already complete trash compared to just being a human and hitting your opponent with a mace or spear, ruining the draw to play Druid. They need to come up with a solution that allows the Druid forms to maintain effectiveness at low scores while reining in their performance at high scores.

They need to fix the scaling then. It's bad design to have something be entirely dependent on your gear score.

The whole game is a gear score check.

Go to sleep.

[ToyJesus]

Originally posted by Computron:

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

They need to fix the scaling then. It's bad design to have something be entirely dependent on your gear score.

The whole game is a gear score check.

Go to sleep.

Everything gets better with gear score, but it shouldnt start out useless. Transforming into a bear or panther should always be an increase to power. My melee weapon in human form should never be the superior option.

[EsuZeno]

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

Originally posted by Kangaroo Salesman:

Huh? Panther to silence or dash into chicken jump for distance. Bear just deletes most people with the overhead. Man doesn't know how to Druid.

The bear is incredibly slow, this game is all about positioning and the bear cant position. you can lose half of your health to a single skeleton as a bear. The panther is playable but its damage is like a 3rd of what you can do with a green weapon in human form.

let me introduce you to a concept known as "zoning" with bear considering druid also has a wall and summon it isnt hard to do

[ToyJesus]

Originally posted by EsuZeno:

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

The bear is incredibly slow, this game is all about positioning and the bear cant position. you can lose half of your health to a single skeleton as a bear. The panther is playable but its damage is like a 3rd of what you can do with a green weapon in human form.

let me introduce you to a concept known as "zoning" with bear considering druid also has a wall and summon it isnt hard to do

Sounds like bear form is poorly designed if you also need to take another ability for it to perform well.

[Kangaroo Salesman]

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

Originally posted by EsuZeno:

let me introduce you to a concept known as "zoning" with bear considering druid also has a wall and summon it isnt hard to do

Sounds like bear form is poorly designed if you also need to take another ability for it to perform well.

Bear form works perfectly well, slow but powerful. I've gotten a great many kills with it.

[Computron]

Originally posted by Kangaroo Salesman:

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

Sounds like bear form is poorly designed if you also need to take another ability for it to perform well.

Bear form works perfectly well, slow but powerful. I've gotten a great many kills with it.

Yep, I have no problems getting kills or tricking players into positions where they can be knocked off the map by my bear attack.

[EsuZeno]

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

Originally posted by EsuZeno:

let me introduce you to a concept known as "zoning" with bear considering druid also has a wall and summon it isnt hard to do

Sounds like bear form is poorly designed if you also need to take another ability for it to perform well.

you dont need those abilities but if you can't zone alone with bear because of lack of skill and awareness then you have two crutch abilities to use as well

[Yuki]

Originally posted by ToyJesus:

Originally posted by EsuZeno:

let me introduce you to a concept known as "zoning" with bear considering druid also has a wall and summon it isnt hard to do

Sounds like bear form is poorly designed if you also need to take another ability for it to perform well.

Synergy is common place in games, I've set up my ranger to one shot or borderline kill full health players with the windlass crossbow. Same way warlock using curse of pain, torture mastery and vampirism is a meta synergy. Synergies vary in strength as well, blocking someone into a corner between my friend Dmitri's pet dog, Tree Beard's grandson, and a rose bush is certain death for a lot of classes.

[Arics]

bear scales with strengt, if u have around 50 strenght you oneshot every class in the head, if unlucky not a barbar on high hp. if u have around 30-40 agility on a panther u 3 shot everyone. druid is expensive if u dont wanna spend much, play him as a support. if u go solo, go for a cheap strenght build below 125 gear score with around 30 strenght, that should be enough to win almost every fight.