game actually REALLY sucks

[Wyatt]

*inb4 get good*
no actually there is no chance you can solo this game (without babies first invisible character) , and without any sort of matchmaking or proximity chat its completely unplayable and more importantly unenjoyable.

Get really far into the dungeon with tons of loot via a very lucky solo grind? oh well its not actually a "PVE" game since players kill you on sight 110% (with voip this would not be the case since you can beg or make friends). So even if you manage to barely make it through the dungeon killing tons of enemies and scoring loot. You will be seal clubbed by a 3 team.

Its not skill issue like tarkov where you can get the jump on people with an automatic weapon and take high level loot. This is a melee game. Its just numbers of players in front of you. You cannot win no matter how good you are. Its simply mathematics. You have 3 healthbars to fight and you only have one. They have 3 attacks on a timer and you only have one. Somebody in a previous threat told me the devs WANT this to be the case and they are trying to "balance it". spoiler alert its simple math. It cannot be balanced. You can only swing your sword so many times and it will never be enough to overcome the 3 swings coming at you.

I have not even seen the exit to this game and i have two level 5+ characters and have played all day. I dont have a single gold a single new item.

What is the benefit to continuing to play the game?

...............UPDATE..............
After playing the game a few more hours it really only reinforces my original post

I still have not extracted once and Im only being corrected by people telling me to "get good" who play rogue and ranger. Thats fine you play the classes that are easiest and can literally turn invisible. But some of us have to actually fight enemies and other players!

The game needs
1. Matchmaking or a better lobby system. (current invite system is moronic just let us join lobbies)

2. Voip. If you are going to put us into a REAL PVPE situation we need to communicate with other players. its completely inexcusable this is not in the game at this point. No excuse at all for this. Dont even bother updating this game again if its not a priority

3. Solo/party segregation. The only people crying about this are people who want to gank solo players with their stacked team. Its overwelmingly a better situation to put solo players in solo games and parties in party games.

4. Better extract. I have been playing for quite awhile and the only time i have seen a portal is in a youtube video. Every player should know there is an exit and that they will have one provided to them. This is how these "hardcore" games work. Its not an RNG. Its PROVIDED. Otherwise people cannot progress.

[Chompman]

Have you tried playing with friends or finding some on the games forums and discord?

If you want to play solo then play a rogue so you can be sneaky and escape that much easier or a range class and keep your distance but a team based multiplayer pvp game cannot be balanced around a solo player.

[Wyatt]

I like the difficulty. I like the grittyness. I like how hard the enemies are.

Everything else is terrible though because if you are going to ask people to play one of these games you have to give them some way to progress. Being number 1 on the board in every game to keep loot is hilariously bad design

Find a better extract system that allows player progress.

[Wyatt]

Originally posted by Chompman:

Have you tried playing with friends or finding some on the games forums and discord?

If you want to play solo then play a rogue so you can be sneaky and escape that much easier or a range class and keep your distance but a team based multiplayer pvp game cannot be balanced around a solo player.

"if you want to play solo play as X"
no i want to play the game how i want to play not how the meta for cheating broken game design works.

its 2022 why would i do any of those things when the developer has tools to match people and put them into a game together instantly? There is also no voice chat which breaks the game considerably.

[Tekamthi]

its possible to get out solo, but the key is avoiding pvp; you are the prey as a solo player, you must run, dodge and hide. The early portals are key, you must find them, you will not survive til the final minutes.

I make it out as solo ranger or rogue maybe 20% of the time with the starter gear; geared up I've managed three in a row, but this is not the norm. Anyway, it feels like a great accomplishment each time I do, and there is something enjoyable in this.

I agree however, the combat and movement in this game is not good. Its simplified morrowind combat, straight outta 2002

[Wyatt]

Originally posted by Tekamthi:

its possible to get out solo, but the key is avoiding pvp; you are the prey as a solo player, you must run, dodge and hide. I make it out as solo ranger or rogue maybe 20% of the time; it feels like a great accomplishment each time I do.

I agree however, the combat and movement in this game is not good. Its simplified morrowind combat, straight outta 2002

I actually like the combat.

Its simply the fact the devs are going to end up murdering this game within the first day its out if its this hard to progress. Like i REALLY want to extract and progress but i cant. And even if i did , what would the benefit be to taking gear out on my next run if i know how broken the difficulty of extracting is and will lose it anyway?

The game needs

1. MUCH Easier extractions or the game is dead on arrival
2. VOIP
3. Matchmaking

[Chompman]

Originally posted by Wyatt:

no i want to play the game how i want to play not how the meta for cheating broken game design works.

its 2022 why would i do any of those things when the developer has tools to match people and put them into a game together instantly? There is also no voice chat which breaks the game considerably.

You chose to play solo and that's 100% on you.

In a lot of games with voice chats people will turn it off to avoid mic spammers and usually a discord channel will be better quality then in game versions and this could be a thing they add but it's not a major factor for most games.

If they add one then they could add matchmaking but even then a premade group used to each others tactics are going to play better usually then a random group and in competitive games like this you really should be a bit social and be playing in a group.

[Wyatt]

Originally posted by Chompman:

Originally posted by Wyatt:

no i want to play the game how i want to play not how the meta for cheating broken game design works.

its 2022 why would i do any of those things when the developer has tools to match people and put them into a game together instantly? There is also no voice chat which breaks the game considerably.

You chose to play solo and that's 100% on you.

In a lot of games with voice chats people will turn it off to avoid mic spammers and usually a discord channel will be better quality then in game versions and this could be a thing they add but it's not a major factor for most games.

If they add one then they could add matchmaking but even then a premade group used to each others tactics are going to play better usually then a random group and in competitive games like this you really should be a bit social and be playing in a group.

>you chose to play solo
no lol. I can only play solo im not going to sign up to forums to find people to play a game with its not 1994. We have things like open lobbies and matchmaking now. In fact we had this back in the 90s

>i love discord
cool thats great but some people just want to jump into a game and not navigate 3 different applications to enjoy it.

[Tekamthi]

Play any of the melee combat games in the past 5 years -- for honor, chivalry, mount & blade etc. -- can't honestly claim the combat here measures up. Lots of people liked (and like) morrowind though, its not unplayable necessarily; but this kind of gameplay is way behind the times, and will not appeal to broad audience once the novelty of this format wears off.

I think you're supposed to rely on the leveling to get your progression fix as solo player -- gear wise progression is impossible, you will lose everything you take into dungeon within a couple rounds at most. Doesn't matter to me but you may be right that the market generally expects this, I'm not sure. As solo player i just store everything and start with basic gear each round, saving resources for when friends are online, then I splurge a little. I still find this fun, but playing solo 100% of the time would probably feel kinda pointless as far as gear progression goes.

[Wyatt]

Originally posted by Tekamthi:

Play any of the melee combat games in the past 5 years -- for honor, chivalry, mount & blade etc. -- can't honestly claim the combat here measures up. Lots of people liked (and like) morrowind though, its not unplayable necessarily; but this kind of gameplay is way behind the times, and will not appeal to broad audience once the novelty of this format wears off.

I think you're supposed to rely on the leveling to get your progression fix -- gear wise progression is impossible, you will lose everything you take into dungeon within a couple rounds at most. Doesn't matter to me but you may be right that the market generally expects this, I'm not sure. As solo player i just store everything and start with basic gear each round, saving resources for when friends are online, then I splurge a little. I still find this fun, but playing solo 100% of the time would probably feel kinda pointless as far as gear progression goes.

>progression is impossible
Which is why this game will fail. I saw the diablo 2 item menu for this game and "dungeon crawl" and i loved the idea.

I would rather them have character and item growth be character bound and you cant lose items. And then simply have higher tiers where you can risk it to get better items and stuff.

No reason to hit new players with this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ progression wall on their very first playthroughs.

Just add 10k more items with stats like diablo and let players keep them

[Mitchicon]

its really really really bad

[simplejakee]

you are participating in an alpha that isn't finished or fully balanced. go play a complete game and wait for this to drop if you don't like playing it while its unbalanced. No shame in it mount and blade banner lord was poopoo when it first hit early access.

[Tekamthi]

full-item loss and pvp looting is a niche that some gamers enjoy. They're not my favorite but it does create a certain anxiety-ridden thrill. Take that out of the game and you ruin the "scary" ambience of these dungeons imo. Game will get old fast(er).

I have not read any dev notes, but I kinda assume things like voice comms, progression systems and combat will be improved for launch -- I think we're testing server-load and the core experience in the client rn. Call me a filthy optimist if you like, you might be right.

[Lowbei]

I solo'd on my rogue last night from level 1-15 in about 2 hours.

Perhaps read a guide or something.

[Phlix]

“This game sucks. GUYS THIS GAME IS BAD” “STOP HAVING FUN!!!!!” I think you meant to say was, this game sucks for me.

[Dbrn]

A game that was obviously designed to be played in a group sucks because you have a hard time soloing. Okay.