CPU degradation

[CRXWNWRXITH]

Let me preface, I bought all new hardware back in March. So i've been only using this hardware for a few months. Yet my PC had constant crashing ever since Thursday, last week. (i only recently fixed my computer, yesterday) and the fix was the CPU, it was somehow malfunctioning (I tested every other part, replacing it and testing, until I discovered / got to the CPU)

The ONLY thing I have done recently, from Thursday, in terms of hardware or software, was install and play Dark and Darker.

Now I am not decrying Dark and Darker saying that the devs are purposely causing CPU's or hardware to break - although I would definitely say it's worth noting.

Could it have been just random, due to use, or just a part malfunctioning on it's own? Yes.
But seeing as the only NEW thing i've done, recently, was install and play Dark and Darker. I would love to dive deeper in this and find out more if anyone can shed light.

What does Dark and Darker do that other developers do not? What EXACTLY runs during the process when you play Dark and Darker? Again, not sitting here saying the devs are responsible for breaking my CPU. I have no idea what exactly caused it, minus the fact that this was the only thing I did that was new since last Thursday/around that time frame.

I doubt I have any error logging since I had to do a clean install of Windows.

[Drakathz]

Originally posted by Deathtroth:

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

There's gotta be some kinda connection with all these hardware issues cropping up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Been Playing The Game For 11 Months With 400+ Hours, No Hardware Issues.

Taxing Games Don't Fry Hardware* - Faulty Hardware Goes Out When It's Used For More Than Solitaire, Stressing It, Forcing The Problems It Has To Compound Until It Hits Critical Failure.
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*Unless The Devs Forget To Put An FPS Cap On A Menu Screen Or Something And Make Everyones 3080s Turn Into Lava XD
(Not The Case Here)

This guy conspiracy is even more insane than flat earthers

[Skuffe]

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

There's gotta be some kinda connection with all these hardware issues cropping up.

Sure buddy

[Le druide]

I am copying here the most upvoted negative review on the game's Steam page (please pin this message as the answer to your topic) :


"Dark and Darker have their own shortcomings in terms of security for the end-user, where it might turn off the consumer if they knew what they were getting themselves into.

Granted, many Anti-Cheat systems work in different ways (both negatively and positively), but this one reads all your files while pushing your system to the limit by overdoing and overloading your processors (ignoring frame-rate caps and going past it). However, I was not affected because of my updated and stronger hardware, but for me, it will shorten the lifespan of my components (already 3–5 years old), and it is worse for others, breaking their PCs that are either older or outdated in terms of quality and build.

In short, the Anti-Cheat system used here pushes and damages your system by using two applications named Tavern.exe and TavernWorker.exe (can be found in Dark and Darker game folders in Steam) on this gives you the indication of two running applications searching through your system and takes a picture of anything you do as well as reading everything stored.

This Anti-Cheat system, being intrusive to the point of valid concerns, is worth discussing and talking about. One thing is to search for any cheats, but reading every file and document on every drive you have on your PC during the whole session you play Dark and Darker is concerning."


SHORT ANSWER : Yes, this game degrades your CPU abnormally.

[Fdpulpe]

CPU OVERHEAT

[hypehype]

Only way the game could damage your CPU is to cook it by overheating.

But most CPUs have a fail-safe that blue screen if it passes its recommended max temperature.

If you overclock, you might not have this and your CPU could be running high temps 24/7


or you could be extremely unlucky in the silicon lottery and got a faulty CPU from day one.

[saber fan]

Originally posted by hypehype:

Only way the game could damage your CPU is to cook it by overheating.

But most CPUs have a fail-safe that blue screen if it passes its recommended max temperature.

If you overclock, you might not have this and your CPU could be running high temps 24/7


or you could be extremely unlucky in the silicon lottery and got a faulty CPU from day one.

nope its a gate way for script kitties to spy and steal your info.
it seems to happen when i install games without good security.
and not sure how software can't wreak your hardware since your hardware does what the software tells it to do????

[whoizz]

what I understood was, you never had crashes and then started crashing all of a sudden and someone pointed CPU issues - whenever you have a faulty CPU, it's by chance how current can flow with it and cause it to crash, normally when chipped they usually fall short on some instruction sets - and they are often the same.

you'd need to contract the manufacturer or use the warranty on your new purchase and ask for a replacement CPU, and make sure they do not send you a refurbished one, which is probably what you currently have.. also, it's fair to say no CPU is equal to another, even when at the same model, and they will always perform slightly different, although, for the most, they will operate within the specifications of the manufacturer.

about Dark & Darker, there is nothing they do while in the Game process that is abnormal, HOWEVER, when you enter a game lobby a process is spawned and that process does work on all the files you have in your PC, for no reason whatsoever - that's not valid Anti-Cheat, and AFAIK, the only other business who applies such invasive software are Chinese business, like Riot - which, when demanded, will need to provide all the data to their government whenever requested.

personally, I like the Game and I've even acquired it, and this dodgy stuff wasn't in place - as soon I noticed that I didn't run the Game anymore, I'd recommend you to just not launch the Game until they fix the issue with the file scanner.

[Skuffe]

Originally posted by Le druide:

I am copying here the most upvoted negative review on the game's Steam page (please pin this message as the answer to your topic) :


"Dark and Darker have their own shortcomings in terms of security for the end-user, where it might turn off the consumer if they knew what they were getting themselves into.

Granted, many Anti-Cheat systems work in different ways (both negatively and positively), but this one reads all your files while pushing your system to the limit by overdoing and overloading your processors (ignoring frame-rate caps and going past it). However, I was not affected because of my updated and stronger hardware, but for me, it will shorten the lifespan of my components (already 3–5 years old), and it is worse for others, breaking their PCs that are either older or outdated in terms of quality and build.

In short, the Anti-Cheat system used here pushes and damages your system by using two applications named Tavern.exe and TavernWorker.exe (can be found in Dark and Darker game folders in Steam) on this gives you the indication of two running applications searching through your system and takes a picture of anything you do as well as reading everything stored.

This Anti-Cheat system, being intrusive to the point of valid concerns, is worth discussing and talking about. One thing is to search for any cheats, but reading every file and document on every drive you have on your PC during the whole session you play Dark and Darker is concerning."


SHORT ANSWER : Yes, this game degrades your CPU abnormally.

Thats a lot of words with no valid source or anything. Awesome job you did there.

Like how about some proof?

[Toofou]

OP think twice ...
It's because you pooped few hours before ...

[aa]

Originally posted by CRXWNWRXITH:

Let me preface, I bought all new hardware back in March. So i've been only using this hardware for a few months. Yet my PC had constant crashing ever since Thursday, last week. (i only recently fixed my computer, yesterday) and the fix was the CPU, it was somehow malfunctioning (I tested every other part, replacing it and testing, until I discovered / got to the CPU)

The ONLY thing I have done recently, from Thursday, in terms of hardware or software, was install and play Dark and Darker.

Now I am not decrying Dark and Darker saying that the devs are purposely causing CPU's or hardware to break - although I would definitely say it's worth noting.

Could it have been just random, due to use, or just a part malfunctioning on it's own? Yes.
But seeing as the only NEW thing i've done, recently, was install and play Dark and Darker. I would love to dive deeper in this and find out more if anyone can shed light.

What does Dark and Darker do that other developers do not? What EXACTLY runs during the process when you play Dark and Darker? Again, not sitting here saying the devs are responsible for breaking my CPU. I have no idea what exactly caused it, minus the fact that this was the only thing I did that was new since last Thursday/around that time frame.

I doubt I have any error logging since I had to do a clean install of Windows. :Lee:

Stay away from games in early access, a fair few companies bringing out games nowadays in early access are just using you as a test subject to optimize their game so they dont have to pay companies to do it for them. You'll notice some EA games will run your CPU or GPU crazy high, mainly the CPU's, but honestly unless the temperatures stay below 80 degrees celsius on them then you're fine.

[Skuffe]

Originally posted by aa:

Originally posted by CRXWNWRXITH:

Let me preface, I bought all new hardware back in March. So i've been only using this hardware for a few months. Yet my PC had constant crashing ever since Thursday, last week. (i only recently fixed my computer, yesterday) and the fix was the CPU, it was somehow malfunctioning (I tested every other part, replacing it and testing, until I discovered / got to the CPU)

The ONLY thing I have done recently, from Thursday, in terms of hardware or software, was install and play Dark and Darker.

Now I am not decrying Dark and Darker saying that the devs are purposely causing CPU's or hardware to break - although I would definitely say it's worth noting.

Could it have been just random, due to use, or just a part malfunctioning on it's own? Yes.
But seeing as the only NEW thing i've done, recently, was install and play Dark and Darker. I would love to dive deeper in this and find out more if anyone can shed light.

What does Dark and Darker do that other developers do not? What EXACTLY runs during the process when you play Dark and Darker? Again, not sitting here saying the devs are responsible for breaking my CPU. I have no idea what exactly caused it, minus the fact that this was the only thing I did that was new since last Thursday/around that time frame.

I doubt I have any error logging since I had to do a clean install of Windows. :Lee:

Stay away from games in early access, a fair few companies bringing out games nowadays in early access are just using you as a test subject to optimize their game so they dont have to pay companies to do it for them. You'll notice some EA games will run your CPU or GPU crazy high, mainly the CPU's, but honestly unless the temperatures stay below 80 degrees celsius on them then you're fine.

You're going to be fine. Hardware will throttle before it kills itself unless there are hardware defects, which software developers can't be held responsible for.

[MeKLiN]

your cpu is responsible for the things the anticheats may do, and if your computer cantl handle a hard drive scan, maybe thats why ur crashing. if u dont have error logging u definitely got a hardware crash not software related, .. upgrade ur bios. and to the guy talking about anticheat for DaD... why talk about this and not SteamService.exe that runs all day every day with steam even if game isnt open ... come on now. get scanned and get over it. i have watched everything the programs do, do u want a process monitor .PML file? ive debugged every aspect of the games launch and anything it does when im not in game, theres nothing to be worried about. and trust me, im worried about things. use process hacker, your computer has 25 open ports to random services in windows that can be exploited, yet you worry about a professional company liable for your computer safety, lol. windows sells your computer to whoever bids on it, and does whatever they want with it all night, but do you disable those windows services? no. you dont even know how. you dont CARE enough to find out, so quiet this thread instantly. right now, if u use process hacker, u will see 5 iP addresses of random computers online, for ur updates, whatever windows, and u have no idea how to stop that, but i can teach you.
NSUDO.EXE > OPEN
CMD
>>now in CMD of trustedinstaller by launching CMD with NSUDO
notepad c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
you are now in a no extension text file called 'hosts' , editing with text, (DO NOT SAVE AS .TXT, SAVE AS 'ALL FILES' with the name 'HOSTS' nothing more nothing less
delete everthing in the file
blank file
type:
0.0.0.0 1.2.3.4
where 1.2.3.4 is where the ip's processhacker showed u in the network tab. careful with doing it for steam

the ips on 443 and 80 are likely steam store, delivering ur worthless jpegs to ruin ur SSD (i use minigame list and it still overloads me with html cache crap), but u can delete ones that say, appear there before u open steam if ur not an expert
if the ip is 24.182.77.133
on a single line put:
0.0.0.0 24.182.77.133
save the file, watch the ip disappear from process hacker ;)
oh wow MOM my game runs really much faster dr meklin sure was right! i guess since on goofy wifi i should have done more stuff to account for my laziness to get ethernet wire!