Kinda sucks the game is number based

[Winblows]

Kinda sucks the game is number based
what I mean is, the game to a large degree revolves around stat values and equipment stats.
while it is obvious the game would be like that since it's like a dungeon and dragons game, it does feel a bit bad.

I don't think your level actually effects your stats just how many perks/skills you can equip. but every class has has different stats. I cant really judge how much item stats matter at the moment, but I can already tell its not like tarkov where it almost doesn't matter how much your ♥♥♥♥ is worth if you are smart.

it seems like barbarian is the best melee unless rouge is able to consistently meme on people. idk what the best range would be since I dont play them.

it seems like play style was what was supposed to make everything equal. but I just think fighter is notably the worst melee, rouge is dubious and barbarian in general is the best melee.

then ontop of that some one with better items then you is going to have a notable advantage.

like I said it was expected. but the reason I bring up tarkov, is because regardless if you like the game or not, the difference between "lower and higher tier" loot is less noticeable. Like some of the lower tier guns can still quickly take down some one with a much more expensive load-out. there's strategy and a desire for lower tier items.

while sure not every game needs to be just like tarkov and what tarkov does seemingly works better for a shooter, I just like that items dont matter as much and theres value in lower tier loot.

The anthesis would be games where equipment is notably important and often times resulted in items over compensating for skill. you know like early BRs would have armor and guns that are way stronger then other ones.

I dont think the game should be "balanced" or "competitive" just like maybe some lower tier items if used with the right skill or harder to do strategy would be more interesting then simply just being ♥♥♥♥ and obsolete.

[Annown]

I agree that skill is almost completely absent in this game compared to something like Tarkov. Everyone that plays this game a lot says that the counter to other players is having better gear, and when I say that directional swinging would help solve this by allowing you to be less predictable and use strategy, they don't seem to like the idea at all, but would rather melee be a predictable brain-dead *left-click left-click left-click* spamfest until someone dies

[Hosenbund]

Originally posted by Annown:

I agree that skill is almost completely absent in this game compared to something like Tarkov. Everyone that plays this game a lot says that the counter to other players is having better gear, and when I say that directional swinging would help solve this by allowing you to be less predictable and use strategy, they don't seem to like the idea at all, but would rather melee be a predictable brain-dead *left-click left-click left-click* spamfest until someone dies

thats because this is the playerbase this game attracts. mostly people in their 30s or 40s which dont want to play a game which requires too much skill.
not insulting the age, but most people there dont want to bother with learning new, complex stuff too much

then they call it "easy to learn hard to master"

which would apply to anything, no matter how easy it is to play

another reason why this game is praised by casuals is that you dont just instantly die in pvp engagements.
if someone does not want to fight you, it is very hard to kill them in this game, for various reasons.
That is also another reason why this game needs the battle royal circle. the pvp engagements dont even work without it.

just all around a game which does not work out properly. i bet this is the reason why nexon scratched it in the first place

[Rikuto01]

This is a bad take thread full of bad take people. I will now depart to grill Fajitas.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

This is a bad take thread full of bad take people. I will now depart to grill Fajitas.

I'm more partial to Quesadillas, but damn do Fajitas sound good right now.

[Hosenbund]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

This is a bad take thread full of bad take people. I will now depart to grill Fajitas.

Defending the game in every thread as if you were paid to do so

hopefully you feel better soon

[Sweets]

I think tarkov is a bad comparison to this game, they just share the extraction genre connections but one is a military sim type fps with realism heavily consider in its design. Where is dark and darker is a rpg with heavy inspiration from dungeons and dragons and goes into the fantasy life of a adventurer in a tabletop like dungeon thats full of death.

The gear score though is rough for late comers to a wipe and people who play casually or just have bad luck.

They seem have plans for more deph to character development and how your character progress in a wipe but thats yet to be seen however I doubt this will change anything unless they go the entire Albion route and make gear just micro buffs and your characters training takes priority but let's just wait and see on that.

Changing the combat to be directional though I doubt will actually help much at all and would just change the combat but people will still have the same problem. That being gear score and class vs class differences just with likely faster combat which on a equal footing would be just like it is now just difference combat.

[JRS]

That's kinda wrong, yes gear is important but if you play bard, wizard, druid, rogue, warlock... skill is definitely involved you can outplay people

if you're just playing barbarian and rushing W+ left click yeah it's kinda number game

[Sweets]

Originally posted by JRS:

That's kinda wrong, yes gear is important but if you play bard, wizard, druid, rogue, warlock... skill is definitely involved you can outplay people

if you're just playing barbarian and rushing W+ left click yeah it's kinda number game

This is true too. Good positioning and awareness can make or break a fight and knowing what you're opponent going to do can help you win a fight better than rushing in swinging. There are also a lot utility like molotovs, throwing and range weapons to help widdle a enemy down.

[Winblows]

Originally posted by JRS:

That's kinda wrong, yes gear is important but if you play bard, wizard, druid, rogue, warlock... skill is definitely involved you can outplay people

if you're just playing barbarian and rushing W+ left click yeah it's kinda number game

assuming both partys dont ♥♥♥♥ up I think barbarian is better then rouge.
in general I think gear is more important for melee character. havent played the ranged characters much. but typically ranged characters are playing on a whole other field

[Tyler the inflator]

Originally posted by Annown:

I agree that skill is almost completely absent in this game compared to something like Tarkov. Everyone that plays this game a lot says that the counter to other players is having better gear, and when I say that directional swinging would help solve this by allowing you to be less predictable and use strategy, they don't seem to like the idea at all, but would rather melee be a predictable brain-dead *left-click left-click left-click* spamfest until someone dies

I still think the way this game is balanced works better for a PVE than PVP game. Numbers in PvE games are often fine, but it is kinda boring for PvP.

[Rikuto01]

Originally posted by Hosenbund:

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

This is a bad take thread full of bad take people. I will now depart to grill Fajitas.

Defending the game in every thread as if you were paid to do so

When Ironmace makes a bad call, I call it. When people say stupid things, I call that too.

Be envious that IM is currently doing better than the rest of you, I suppose.

[Winblows]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

Originally posted by Hosenbund:

Defending the game in every thread as if you were paid to do so

When Ironmace makes a bad call, I call it. When people say stupid things, I call that too.

Be envious that IM is currently doing better than the rest of you, I suppose.

actually im doing better then you

[Hosenbund]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

Originally posted by Hosenbund:

Defending the game in every thread as if you were paid to do so

When Ironmace makes a bad call, I call it. When people say stupid things, I call that too.

Be envious that IM is currently doing better than the rest of you, I suppose.

next up you gonna tell me to program my own game if i dont like it?

hopefully you get better soon

[MartyMcFry]

Originally posted by Winblows:

Kinda sucks the game is number based
what I mean is, the game to a large degree revolves around stat values and equipment stats.
while it is obvious the game would be like that since it's like a dungeon and dragons game, it does feel a bit bad.

I don't think your level actually effects your stats just how many perks/skills you can equip. but every class has has different stats. I cant really judge how much item stats matter at the moment, but I can already tell its not like tarkov where it almost doesn't matter how much your ♥♥♥♥ is worth if you are smart.

it seems like barbarian is the best melee unless rouge is able to consistently meme on people. idk what the best range would be since I dont play them.

it seems like play style was what was supposed to make everything equal. but I just think fighter is notably the worst melee, rouge is dubious and barbarian in general is the best melee.

then ontop of that some one with better items then you is going to have a notable advantage.

like I said it was expected. but the reason I bring up tarkov, is because regardless if you like the game or not, the difference between "lower and higher tier" loot is less noticeable. Like some of the lower tier guns can still quickly take down some one with a much more expensive load-out. there's strategy and a desire for lower tier items.

while sure not every game needs to be just like tarkov and what tarkov does seemingly works better for a shooter, I just like that items dont matter as much and theres value in lower tier loot.

The anthesis would be games where equipment is notably important and often times resulted in items over compensating for skill. you know like early BRs would have armor and guns that are way stronger then other ones.

I dont think the game should be "balanced" or "competitive" just like maybe some lower tier items if used with the right skill or harder to do strategy would be more interesting then simply just being ♥♥♥♥ and obsolete.

Calling fighter the worst melee when it literally one of the best classes in the game. It is versatile and can use any weapon in the game. Have you actually looked up any builds? You have 3 main ways to play fighter. Slayer, Dagger and Tank. Go check some stuff out on different class builds on youtube.

Feels like the new players just don't see that there are many builds in the game for different play styles and they haven't experienced a juiced out your brain situation, geared up in all purples minimum. That combined with perks/skills is what makes the build and it's meant to be like that.

Barb is not considered the best melee class right now either. It's middle of the pack

[Rikuto01]

Originally posted by Hosenbund:

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

When Ironmace makes a bad call, I call it. When people say stupid things, I call that too.

Be envious that IM is currently doing better than the rest of you, I suppose.

next up you gonna tell me to program my own game if i dont like it?

hopefully you get better soon

Actually I was going to make a derogatory comment involving your mother but since you volunteered, how about a cool Kart racing game involving Goblin Caves.