Still pay to win?

[SinArchBishop]

Is this game still pay to win\play

Edit: I wrote this about a year ago, I think. Honestly, I'm really glad I skipped fully picking up this game. Now that I've seen replys, the community is insanely toxic—not competitively toxic, but just downright toxic. Sure, there are a few exceptions, with some people defending both pay-to-win and free-to-play with valid arguments, but the rest? Jesus, what happened to you all?

[Kangaroo Salesman]

How so? It never has been to my knowledge?

[yavex]

what do you mean still? there is nothing / has never had anything you can buy in-game that will boost progress faster than someone else.

[Vangalisk]

Its never been stop lying.

[Chris]

yea. The Skins with buffs you have to buy are still in the game. People will blatantly ignore p2w mechanics if its "not that bad"

Im not Saying you will become a top player overnight due to a skin. But everyfight where you survive with 1hp wouldve been a death if the other player had the $5 Frost skeleton skin.

The game is fine but for multiple people to just say it never had anything p2w is them being downright delusional to the point of being shills.

[Roovka]

Originally posted by Chris:

yea. The Skins with buffs you have to buy are still in the game. People will blatantly ignore p2w mechanics if its "not that bad"

Im not Saying you will become a top player overnight due to a skin. But everyfight where you survive with 1hp wouldve been a death if the other player had the $5 Frost skeleton skin.

The game is fine but for multiple people to just say it never had anything p2w is them being downright delusional to the point of being shills.

"Im not Saying you will become a top player overnight due to a skin."

So its not pay to win, you must still have some personal skill to succeed as you yourself said.

[Chris]

Originally posted by Roovka:

Originally posted by Chris:

yea. The Skins with buffs you have to buy are still in the game. People will blatantly ignore p2w mechanics if its "not that bad"

Im not Saying you will become a top player overnight due to a skin. But everyfight where you survive with 1hp wouldve been a death if the other player had the $5 Frost skeleton skin.

The game is fine but for multiple people to just say it never had anything p2w is them being downright delusional to the point of being shills.

"Im not Saying you will become a top player overnight due to a skin."

So its not pay to win, you must still have some personal skill to succeed as you yourself said.

Lol what a bad take away.

P2w Isnt just a blatant win you can literally purchase. Its when you can buy advantages in a pvp environment. Having Perks only achievable through extra purchases. Its wild the hill you trolls choose to die on. You act like saying it out loud is going to ruin the game. Have the devs remove stat boost on skins. Not rocket science. You guys love to argue that its an original system as if that excuses it for being anti consumer and just flat out bad.

You should never ever be able to have an advantage over another player who also bought the same product. A great example is the new felidian skin. +2 agility is just stupid. The games entire meta right now involves kitting other players and range spam. The Male feldian skin was originally only red shard until community outcry had them change it. However skins with advantages are still there. Still only allowed if you pay for it.

You have a misconception on what a pay to win is. You have this idea that it has to be an entirely one sided fight with game changing upgrades. When its more a term for unfair mechanics you can purchase in competitive games. (Competitive as in playing against other people not literally Comp play.)

Way more linguistically Gifted people have defined better than me.:

Pay-to-win mechanics are items, effects, or changes to a player's game that allow them to progress faster, play more effectively, or gain some other advantage that a player who cannot pay for the luxury.

Having Dexterity, Weapon damage, Armor rating, And even a 5% buff duration bonus locked behind paywalls is the game having p2w mechanics. Like im not insulting the game. Im just calling it how it is while you try to sugar coat it.

[Roovka]

Originally posted by Chris:

Originally posted by Roovka:

"Im not Saying you will become a top player overnight due to a skin."

So its not pay to win, you must still have some personal skill to succeed as you yourself said.

Lol what a bad take away.

P2w Isnt just a blatant win you can literally purchase. Its when you can buy advantages in a pvp environment. Having Perks only achievable through extra purchases. Its wild the hill you trolls choose to die on. You act like saying it out loud is going to ruin the game. Have the devs remove stat boost on skins. Not rocket science. You guys love to argue that its an original system as if that excuses it for being anti consumer and just flat out bad.

You should never ever be able to have an advantage over another player who also bought the same product. A great example is the new felidian skin. +2 agility is just stupid. The games entire meta right now involves kitting other players and range spam. The Male feldian skin was originally only red shard until community outcry had them change it. However skins with advantages are still there. Still only allowed if you pay for it.

You have a misconception on what a pay to win is. You have this idea that it has to be an entirely one sided fight with game changing upgrades. When its more a term for unfair mechanics you can purchase in competitive games. (Competitive as in playing against other people not literally Comp play.)

Way more linguistically Gifted people have defined better than me.:

Pay-to-win mechanics are items, effects, or changes to a player's game that allow them to progress faster, play more effectively, or gain some other advantage that a player who cannot pay for the luxury.

Having Dexterity, Weapon damage, Armor rating, And even a 5% buff duration bonus locked behind paywalls is the game having p2w mechanics. Like im not insulting the game. Im just calling it how it is while you try to sugar coat it.

If you sincerely think that that +1 Weapon Damage or +3 Max Health is going to make or break a fight, then you never play anything higher than sub 24s.

Pay to win involves winning more than you lose PURELY because you paid for something, which isn't happening here.

[Kangaroo Salesman]

Originally posted by Roovka:

Originally posted by Chris:

Lol what a bad take away.

P2w Isnt just a blatant win you can literally purchase. Its when you can buy advantages in a pvp environment. Having Perks only achievable through extra purchases. Its wild the hill you trolls choose to die on. You act like saying it out loud is going to ruin the game. Have the devs remove stat boost on skins. Not rocket science. You guys love to argue that its an original system as if that excuses it for being anti consumer and just flat out bad.

You should never ever be able to have an advantage over another player who also bought the same product. A great example is the new felidian skin. +2 agility is just stupid. The games entire meta right now involves kitting other players and range spam. The Male feldian skin was originally only red shard until community outcry had them change it. However skins with advantages are still there. Still only allowed if you pay for it.

You have a misconception on what a pay to win is. You have this idea that it has to be an entirely one sided fight with game changing upgrades. When its more a term for unfair mechanics you can purchase in competitive games. (Competitive as in playing against other people not literally Comp play.)

Way more linguistically Gifted people have defined better than me.:

Pay-to-win mechanics are items, effects, or changes to a player's game that allow them to progress faster, play more effectively, or gain some other advantage that a player who cannot pay for the luxury.

Having Dexterity, Weapon damage, Armor rating, And even a 5% buff duration bonus locked behind paywalls is the game having p2w mechanics. Like im not insulting the game. Im just calling it how it is while you try to sugar coat it.

If you sincerely think that that +1 Weapon Damage or +3 Max Health is going to make or break a fight, then you never play anything higher than sub 24s.

I agree, the stats skins give are so tiny they're basically cosmetic only.

[E6JIAH]

Paid content got way less player base in my experience despite the loot change.. People like to PVP in a squire gear.

[Rambo first blood]

Originally posted by SinArchBishop:

Is this game still pay to win\play

yes the game is still pay to win 124 gear cap and one character slot
bether go buy Helldivers 2 its the bether game with more players

[Vangalisk]

@toeveryonethatthinksitsp2w bring all legendary loot I'll kill you with gray base kit stuff, skill issues.

[Nocturnal]

game isn't good. save your money for now its really just a pile of dogcrap not going to lie. ive played it a lot and the devs just keep making it worse. they have zero idea what to do and what direction to take the game in

[Ashlander]

The skin bonuses are SO small, they're almost completely cosmetic. Unless you're min/maxing, like the 2% physical power bonus the 1 str orc skin has (which has a downfall, every skin has a positive and negative stat}. Obviously not pay to win, pay to win is like paying for your squire to have some green pieces starting out or something

[Gelat Gelee]

people complain about skins? just go through a season and you will get one too. its usualy 1 stat + and another - so no big deal. kids are realy not used to think these days, go back to idiot games where you need a brain in bean size

[オルゴール]

which skin is p2w?
The +1dmg -3ms one? That one is awful as MS is the best stat in the game
The +2 dex, -1 vig -1 str? That one is literally an equal trade off between the two