Are the devs just allergic to actually nerfing Sorcerer?

[Ovalbomd12]

They must have been foaming at the mouth with the recent changes. "Let's increase cooldowns by a few seconds, and in exchange make it so Sorcerer can wombo combo you to death even without the broken perk, because their spells are basically instant now, hur ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ durr."

Genuinely, is it not enough that they can cast with their hands (highest movespeed, have the most spells (hard to predict), extreme utility (multiple stuns, slows, summons, ect) and no need to rest? Is that not enough by itself, that when they nerf Sorcerer from unbearably strong, they have to compensate to bring it right back to unbearably strong?

and ♥♥♥♥ it, why does Sorcerer have longsword? At that point, give longsword to barbarian and bard too, because why not? at least with Warlock it made some sense because they're supposed to be the spellsword class.

[Katitoff]

WDYM?
Instacast meta sorc is dead.

[Ovalbomd12]

Eah, they nerfed the instacast perk, in exchange for lowering the cast time of all their spells pretty dramatically at a baseline. Sorcerer is already obscenely strong, why feel the need to compensate buff? Just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nerf it.

[Aldain]

Wasn't the instacast a solid chunk of the problem though?

If that's been addressed I'd rather them have to dial back compensation buffs later rather than wind up breaking Sorc's kneecaps and leaving it like that for however long it is till patch 82.

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by Ovalbomd12:

Eah, they nerfed the instacast perk, in exchange for lowering the cast time of all their spells pretty dramatically at a baseline. Sorcerer is already obscenely strong, why feel the need to compensate buff? Just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nerf it.

These also got cooldown increases.
I'm fine with sorc fast casting, after all its not like he can spam his spells like wiz with fireballs.

[Ovalbomd12]

Maybe you disagree, but I have 0 faith in this dev team to actually chip away at compensation buffs, just like you have 0 faith in them to give buffs later. Right now, sorc has no real weaknesses as a spellcasting class. It has wizard's damage potential, access to warlock's best melee weapon, and the highest movespeed outside of an empty-handed bard, except an empty-handed bard can't cast.

Basically, they SHOULD kneecap at least one aspect of it. Maybe make empty hand casting a perk. Maybe make empty hand casting do 1/2 damage, maybe anything, but Sorc has been so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cancer to fight that honestly, nerfing it to death would feel kinda welcome at this point.

[zeredis]

no idea how every single time I played the class and did anything I somehow always got the players that my magic did absolutely 0 damage
any form of physical damage you take and you die in one hit so what is so overpowered about them lmfao
everybody plays rogue and just backs up for your long swing does 300 hits and you bleed to death

or the other half of the playerbase is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that just wait all day long
sit there parrying with the longsword all day or just poke you and wait for mobs to do the rest

the spells might be strong pve wise sure but pvp literally all someone needs to do is breathe on you lmfao

[Ovalbomd12]

Originally posted by zeredis:

no idea how every single time I played the class and did anything I somehow always got the players that my magic did absolutely 0 damage
any form of physical damage you take and you die in one hit so what is so overpowered about them lmfao
everybody plays rogue and just backs up for your long swing does 300 hits and you bleed to death

or the other half of the playerbase is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that just wait all day long
sit there parrying with the longsword all day or just poke you and wait for mobs to do the rest

the spells might be strong pve wise sure but pvp literally all someone needs to do is breathe on you lmfao

I'm not usually the guy to say skill issue, but man, skill issue. If people are catching a Sorcerer at all, that's because the Sorcerer misplayed, and if people are parrying with the longsword every time, maybe consider doing the same, because you also have a longsword my man.

[zeredis]

Originally posted by Ovalbomd12:

Originally posted by zeredis:

no idea how every single time I played the class and did anything I somehow always got the players that my magic did absolutely 0 damage
any form of physical damage you take and you die in one hit so what is so overpowered about them lmfao
everybody plays rogue and just backs up for your long swing does 300 hits and you bleed to death

or the other half of the playerbase is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that just wait all day long
sit there parrying with the longsword all day or just poke you and wait for mobs to do the rest

the spells might be strong pve wise sure but pvp literally all someone needs to do is breathe on you lmfao

I'm not usually the guy to say skill issue, but man, skill issue. If people are catching a Sorcerer at all, that's because the Sorcerer misplayed, and if people are parrying with the longsword every time, maybe consider doing the same, because you also have a longsword my man.

lmao I did think it would be funny to post on this games discussions
but usual responses from the zero brained individuals "skill issue"
you just couldnt respond with something original in the slightest

but thats alright, I was havin my fun when I said it and I didnt expect that enjoyers of the game would like anything negative said about it

personally I think if you guys cant kill the class that much just abuse speed and get into their face and show that Im exactly right because they are squishy and will die instantly,

so thats why I just played something with HP and the game actually became more fun,

its fun trying to parry with the longsword but when you whiff against a schizo player, 9/10 now you're going to eat it because you wanted to try to have fun and parry and now enjoy your health falling apart

I wonder if every time the skill issue hivemind uses it you all get a mental ping and giggle about it like you just served up the meanest comeback of all time

[Katitoff]

Originally posted by zeredis:

no idea how every single time I played the class and did anything I somehow always got the players that my magic did absolutely 0 damage
any form of physical damage you take and you die in one hit so what is so overpowered about them lmfao
everybody plays rogue and just backs up for your long swing does 300 hits and you bleed to death

or the other half of the playerbase is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that just wait all day long
sit there parrying with the longsword all day or just poke you and wait for mobs to do the rest

the spells might be strong pve wise sure but pvp literally all someone needs to do is breathe on you lmfao

How bad you are?

Sorc has THE BEST zoning spells in the whole game and escape rivaling druid.

Sorc is literally immune to melee classes unless its ironwill barb.

[オルゴール]

No, they are not allergic to needing sorcerer.
They are allergic to nerfing Druid properly tho :) hope this helps

[Ovalbomd12]

I mean, no offense dude, think about what you just said "Stack speed and catch them." Empty hands + robes is the fastest you can be unless you're empty hands and naked except for boots. The only exceptions are bard with buffs up, whih requires super high apm, fighter at full sprint in light armor, or no-armor barbarian rage, and 2/3 of those are very very brief and able to be stopped with 1 stun from sorcerer. Sorcerer also has the best ranged defense of any spellcaster, with mud shield and his teleport.

Also, look up. I'm really not a fan of the way the game is right now, I think there should be 100% reliable methods to kill any given class, and Druid and to an extent sorcerer break that ethos.

"When you whiff against a shizo player" = When someone beats you in melee.

Yes, you're going to lose and die if someone beats you in melee, however, a longsword parry does 1/2 hp on the tankiest builds in the game, so if you're parrying 9/10 attacks, you should be slaughtering teams.

Like I said, I'm not the "skill issue" guy, mainly because I flop a lot too, but come on, just because you aren't good at a class doesn't mean the class is anything but absurdly strong.

[zeredis]

Originally posted by Ovalbomd12:

I mean, no offense dude, think about what you just said "Stack speed and catch them." Empty hands + robes is the fastest you can be unless you're empty hands and naked except for boots. The only exceptions are bard with buffs up, whih requires super high apm, fighter at full sprint in light armor, or no-armor barbarian rage, and 2/3 of those are very very brief and able to be stopped with 1 stun from sorcerer. Sorcerer also has the best ranged defense of any spellcaster, with mud shield and his teleport.

Also, look up. I'm really not a fan of the way the game is right now, I think there should be 100% reliable methods to kill any given class, and Druid and to an extent sorcerer break that ethos.

"When you whiff against a shizo player" = When someone beats you in melee.

Yes, you're going to lose and die if someone beats you in melee, however, a longsword parry does 1/2 hp on the tankiest builds in the game, so if you're parrying 9/10 attacks, you should be slaughtering teams.

Like I said, I'm not the "skill issue" guy, mainly because I flop a lot too, but come on, just because you aren't good at a class doesn't mean the class is anything but absurdly strong.

awwwww I even got you trying to dissect each line to try and make your own meaning out of it thats really cute

atleast you're trying harder here this time
in my opinion the class wasnt fun, and felt very easy to kill
because the methods that I said that get them killed is exactly what ive used to kill them when i changed classes lmao
just gotta be faster than em, catch up and bonk, thats it
hell if their spells are so strong just shoot arrows at them lmao

[Tempost]

Originally posted by zeredis:

Originally posted by Ovalbomd12:

I mean, no offense dude, think about what you just said "Stack speed and catch them." Empty hands + robes is the fastest you can be unless you're empty hands and naked except for boots. The only exceptions are bard with buffs up, whih requires super high apm, fighter at full sprint in light armor, or no-armor barbarian rage, and 2/3 of those are very very brief and able to be stopped with 1 stun from sorcerer. Sorcerer also has the best ranged defense of any spellcaster, with mud shield and his teleport.

Also, look up. I'm really not a fan of the way the game is right now, I think there should be 100% reliable methods to kill any given class, and Druid and to an extent sorcerer break that ethos.

"When you whiff against a shizo player" = When someone beats you in melee.

Yes, you're going to lose and die if someone beats you in melee, however, a longsword parry does 1/2 hp on the tankiest builds in the game, so if you're parrying 9/10 attacks, you should be slaughtering teams.

Like I said, I'm not the "skill issue" guy, mainly because I flop a lot too, but come on, just because you aren't good at a class doesn't mean the class is anything but absurdly strong.

awwwww I even got you trying to dissect each line to try and make your own meaning out of it thats really cute

atleast you're trying harder here this time
in my opinion the class wasnt fun, and felt very easy to kill
because the methods that I said that get them killed is exactly what ive used to kill them when i changed classes lmao
just gotta be faster than em, catch up and bonk, thats it
hell if their spells are so strong just shoot arrows at them lmao

crazy how much you complain about things that were your fault

[sancticus]

sorc was not crazy strong as everyone here seems to think, you only die to the good ones . they fold like paper and had crazy long cast times you could easily time. nerfing ti would have made it useless. anyone who through it was already broken just flat sucked at pvp. now it is too good so youll get claped even more

[zeredis]

Originally posted by Tempost:

Originally posted by zeredis:

awwwww I even got you trying to dissect each line to try and make your own meaning out of it thats really cute

atleast you're trying harder here this time
in my opinion the class wasnt fun, and felt very easy to kill
because the methods that I said that get them killed is exactly what ive used to kill them when i changed classes lmao
just gotta be faster than em, catch up and bonk, thats it
hell if their spells are so strong just shoot arrows at them lmao

crazy how much you complain about things that were your fault

you act like im actively screaming and going crazy I think i made one post bour sourc once or something but it was more silly than anything
just playin a class that is more fun lmao that is it if you love the game too much youll never see a negative about it so just try and change that my man gg