Spawn rushing in sub 25 lobbies

[SnappishBongo]

You want to get good at PvP? Play high gear score lobbies, i promise you its more fun and there's actually loot on players. Spawn rushing in sub 25 is actually brain dead behavior. We all have squire kits, and maybe two gems from a chest. The value of a kill is practically zero. The point of killing other players is to get their loot and find upgrades/things to sell on the trading post. PvPing in a 25 lobby at the halfway point is a damn good idea. Possible good loot on players or quest items. You want to farm timmy's and remain bad at the game keep spawn rushing. You want to be good at the game and have epic PvP battles? Put on some gear (oh wait you don't have any because you're spawn rushing 25 lobbies). Half the people I find in those lobbies are newer players that basically int over a kill because they are inexperienced. I want this game to succeed, not kill any hope of new players by killing them 2 minutes into a round

I've played geared lobbies and sub 25 lobbies and 25 lobbies are the most toxic ♥♥♥♥ hole known to humanity. Thank goodness arena is coming back because I love a good PvP fight in this game (in arena and in dungeon), but spawn rushing in 25 lobbies is just stupid and an actual waste of both players time.

[gydrarash]

I can't speak for everyone, but I usually check the spawn points closest to me. Because I have the attention span of a caffeinated squirrel, and if I’m busy killing mobs, even a fighter in full plate armor can sneak up on me. So it's better to solve the problem in advance.

[DOA]

I would rather be a rusher than be rushed on.

[Roovka]

I mean when you know where potential spawns are, you know how to position yourself while killing PvE so they can't surprise you. Create dark corners as you're moving so you have a place to hide and get the jump on them instead.

[gydrarash]

Or I could run to the spawn point and check, instead of feeling a terrible feeling of uncertainty while killing mobs. Plus, there is less chance that the opponent will dig up some purple Uberwaffle in the chests.

[ArcticCheetah]

It seems silly on paper but it actually makes a lot of sense. its not about the loot, its about getting good at pvp without risking anything. Every new player needs to rush to pvp at some point to get used to the spacing, swing patterns etc.

Its its own kind of grind. better to learn that stuff early rather than playing catch up after leaving sub 25 gs lobbies when you have decent stuff to lose.

[SnappishBongo]

Originally posted by ArcticCheetah:

It seems silly on paper but it actually makes a lot of sense. its not about the loot, its about getting good at pvp without risking anything. Every new player needs to rush to pvp at some point to get used to the spacing, swing patterns etc.

Its its own kind of grind. better to learn that stuff early rather than playing catch up after leaving sub 25 gs lobbies when you have decent stuff to lose.

I don't mind if it is a new player, but the people I die to have at least 100+ fame. I've played the game enough to be smart and not die to them, but it's just a sad way to kill off the new players trying the game. It's never new players spawn rushing. Again, I love this game and it's a part of the game, but if you have 100+ hours in the game you shouldn't be spawn rushing 25's lol

[VCuts]

sounds like a personal problem. all part of the game regardless

[m]

Originally posted by ArcticCheetah:

It seems silly on paper but it actually makes a lot of sense. its not about the loot, its about getting good at pvp without risking anything. Every new player needs to rush to pvp at some point to get used to the spacing, swing patterns etc.

Its its own kind of grind. better to learn that stuff early rather than playing catch up after leaving sub 25 gs lobbies when you have decent stuff to lose.

It's not just these factors either. Spend 0 gold, spawn in, rush, either die and reset or kill the guy.

Once you kill a couple people the lobby is more or less yours, now you can go to whatever modules you want. It's basically about killing them *before* they have gear so you can go loot good chests, not killing people *for* their gear.

Originally posted by SnappishBongo:

I don't mind if it is a new player, but the people I die to have at least 100+ fame. I've played the game enough to be smart and not die to them, but it's just a sad way to kill off the new players trying the game. It's never new players spawn rushing. Again, I love this game and it's a part of the game, but if you have 100+ hours in the game you shouldn't be spawn rushing 25's lol

Some of this also goes back to the original tests. In Playtest 1, 2, 3, and 4 the meta was to rush spawns because there were more players in the dungeon so someone usually spawned very close to you and you would rush them if you knew where to go. Some older players just play this way, especially if there's no loot risk.

[MisterSmellies]

But if you're not good at pvp you can only play the higher gs lobbies so many times before lose all gold/gear and back in to under 25 gs lobbies.

[Rikuto01]

One misconception is that everyone who spawn rushes is bloodthirsty.

Sometimes they just want everyone in close proximity dead so they can PvE in peace.

[No.]

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

But if you're not good at pvp you can only play the higher gs lobbies so many times before lose all gold/gear and back in to under 25 gs lobbies.

you can get good blue sets for 2-3k, which you can farm relatively easy in a few games.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

One misconception is that everyone who spawn rushes is bloodthirsty.

Sometimes they just want everyone in close proximity dead so they can PvE in peace.

...How is that not just bloodthirsty for a different reason?

To me the spawnrushing is just indicative of just how absurd the Move Speed meta is. You have people running literal circles around convoys of mobs, ignoring the Dungeon Crawler aspect to just zerg rush other players.

The fact that people can run upwards of 3-4 rooms of distance in a minute or less just makes me wonder why the dungeon is even present in the first place if people are just going to ignore every aspect of it.

[MisterSmellies]

Originally posted by No.:

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

But if you're not good at pvp you can only play the higher gs lobbies so many times before lose all gold/gear and back in to under 25 gs lobbies.

you can get good blue sets for 2-3k, which you can farm relatively easy in a few games.

yeah then you die in it if you are bad at pvp and have to do few more games to get

[No.]

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

Originally posted by No.:

you can get good blue sets for 2-3k, which you can farm relatively easy in a few games.

yeah then you die in it if you are bad at pvp and have to do few more games to get

thats how you are suppose to improve and one day overcome the challenge

[O.D.Beefalo]

Originally posted by No.:

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

yeah then you die in it if you are bad at pvp and have to do few more games to get

thats how you are suppose to improve and one day overcome the challenge

Blue isnt practice gear... squire is the gear you learn in. Green is the gear you learn stat priority. Blue+ is the gear you play in for real.

Even in 24-GS lobbies i rush every player to see if friend or foe. I am still not great and i would rather force PVP on people with nothing than a new player trying their new kit they saved for...