Nerf Warlock FFS

[Lecruidant]

Seriously. Nerf this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ class properly before you lose more of your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ playerbase. It's ABSURD the ♥♥♥♥ they get up to AND the fact they can pull an entire room, run at you, phantomize and dump ALL of the room just on top of you while there is NO penalty to their actions and they get away with it. This is absurd game design.

[Risky]

lol these warlock mains crying about cleric meanwhile their "class" counters almost every single other class. is that balance u dumb 4ss

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Risky:

lol these warlock mains crying about cleric meanwhile their "class" counters almost every single other class. is that balance u dumb 4ss

Rogue, Barbarian, Cleric, Ranger counter Warlock, but is strong against Druid, Wizard, and Bard, with fighter being a toss up depending on the build. If you're aggressive or you can catch warlock lacking, you will win 95% of the time unless you wiff it.

[Bunny]

Originally posted by Risky:

lol these warlock mains crying about cleric meanwhile their "class" counters almost every single other class. is that balance u dumb 4ss

Yeah warlock counters everything soooooooo easily thats why a fighter with a longsword walks up to me and 2 shots me right ? cause guess what lol the only way to decently play warlock in pvp was with curses which they now nerfed to a point where they might aswell remove them for something else. Basically new players choosing warlocks wont have any fun playing that game because the only good base build got destroyed. Dagger demonform still exists which is prob also pretty decent in pvp but absolute ass in pve. And hydra life drain for pve is absolute trash in pvp. Do you know what we call that ? BALANCED

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Bunny:

Originally posted by Risky:

lol these warlock mains crying about cleric meanwhile their "class" counters almost every single other class. is that balance u dumb 4ss

Yeah warlock counters everything soooooooo easily thats why a fighter with a longsword walks up to me and 2 shots me right ? cause guess what lol the only way to decently play warlock in pvp was with curses which they now nerfed to a point where they might aswell remove them for something else. Basically new players choosing warlocks wont have any fun playing that game because the only good base build got destroyed. Dagger demonform still exists which is prob also pretty decent in pvp but absolute ass in pve. And hydra life drain for pve is absolute trash in pvp. Do you know what we call that ? BALANCED

They need to buff other aspects of warlock in place of CoP and TM, seriously, that build was vile and I play warlock frequently. I've been having more enjoyment out of building around bolt of darkness, but it would be nice to have ray of darkness not be trash.

[Bunny]

Originally posted by Yuki:

Originally posted by Bunny:

Yeah warlock counters everything soooooooo easily thats why a fighter with a longsword walks up to me and 2 shots me right ? cause guess what lol the only way to decently play warlock in pvp was with curses which they now nerfed to a point where they might aswell remove them for something else. Basically new players choosing warlocks wont have any fun playing that game because the only good base build got destroyed. Dagger demonform still exists which is prob also pretty decent in pvp but absolute ass in pve. And hydra life drain for pve is absolute trash in pvp. Do you know what we call that ? BALANCED

They need to buff other aspects of warlock in place of CoP and TM, seriously, that build was vile and I play warlock frequently. I've been having more enjoyment out of building around bolt of darkness, but it would be nice to have ray of darkness not be trash.

Exactly what I mean, no wonder every warlock player plays the same build because it was the only playable one. Warlock has almost no way to play the game because the other builds just straight lose to most of the classes. so instead of nerfing the only thing we did have they should have buffed the other builds. cause dagger demonform is fun and all but warlock is kinda meant to use spells and not be a beefy rogue. And hydra ? idk you cant really build it well either. WIth decent gear it works sure but what about squire gear runs ? warlock builds suck with base gear.

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Bunny:

Originally posted by Yuki:

They need to buff other aspects of warlock in place of CoP and TM, seriously, that build was vile and I play warlock frequently. I've been having more enjoyment out of building around bolt of darkness, but it would be nice to have ray of darkness not be trash.

Exactly what I mean, no wonder every warlock player plays the same build because it was the only playable one. Warlock has almost no way to play the game because the other builds just straight lose to most of the classes. so instead of nerfing the only thing we did have they should have buffed the other builds. cause dagger demonform is fun and all but warlock is kinda meant to use spells and not be a beefy rogue. And hydra ? idk you cant really build it well either. WIth decent gear it works sure but what about squire gear runs ? warlock builds suck with base gear.

Warlock could use a skill rework as well, phantomize is used so much because the others honestly just suck. Blow of Corruption is alright, but you'll die in melee against most other classes, even with demon plate. Demon form is usable now atleast, but is only decent with demon plate at best, everything other skill is just trash. Dark offering I would love to use if it wasn't such a massive hassle to use for little gain.

[gydrarash]

Yes. If it had lasted at least three minutes like bard melodies, we could have come up with something... Although I wouldn’t really want to meet a Warlock with an 80% buff.

[Bunny]

Originally posted by Yuki:

Originally posted by Bunny:

Exactly what I mean, no wonder every warlock player plays the same build because it was the only playable one. Warlock has almost no way to play the game because the other builds just straight lose to most of the classes. so instead of nerfing the only thing we did have they should have buffed the other builds. cause dagger demonform is fun and all but warlock is kinda meant to use spells and not be a beefy rogue. And hydra ? idk you cant really build it well either. WIth decent gear it works sure but what about squire gear runs ? warlock builds suck with base gear.

Warlock could use a skill rework as well, phantomize is used so much because the others honestly just suck. Blow of Corruption is alright, but you'll die in melee against most other classes, even with demon plate. Demon form is usable now atleast, but is only decent with demon plate at best, everything other skill is just trash. Dark offering I would love to use if it wasn't such a massive hassle to use for little gain.

Offering is only good if you stack a ♥♥♥♥ ton of buff duration which you obv cant in lower gear lobbys. BUt yeah agree skills just suck. Idk when the next wipe is gonna be but im def changing main class if that keeps up cause its just not fun to play anymore. They overdid this time with killing the only decent build

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Bunny:

Originally posted by Yuki:

Warlock could use a skill rework as well, phantomize is used so much because the others honestly just suck. Blow of Corruption is alright, but you'll die in melee against most other classes, even with demon plate. Demon form is usable now atleast, but is only decent with demon plate at best, everything other skill is just trash. Dark offering I would love to use if it wasn't such a massive hassle to use for little gain.

Offering is only good if you stack a ♥♥♥♥ ton of buff duration which you obv cant in lower gear lobbys. BUt yeah agree skills just suck. Idk when the next wipe is gonna be but im def changing main class if that keeps up cause its just not fun to play anymore. They overdid this time with killing the only decent build

Yeah I'm looking at playing sorcerer next wipe, I hope he has a perk that makes crystal swords stronger, would love to use them more if they weren't so trash as a casting tool. From what I gather they are more dps focused, So kinda excited but also worried they'll over do it. I've started playing ranger and druid more, but druid treant nerf hits hard tho.

[Bunny]

Originally posted by Yuki:

Originally posted by Bunny:

Offering is only good if you stack a ♥♥♥♥ ton of buff duration which you obv cant in lower gear lobbys. BUt yeah agree skills just suck. Idk when the next wipe is gonna be but im def changing main class if that keeps up cause its just not fun to play anymore. They overdid this time with killing the only decent build

Yeah I'm looking at playing sorcerer next wipe, I hope he has a perk that makes crystal swords stronger, would love to use them more if they weren't so trash as a casting tool. From what I gather they are more dps focused, So kinda excited but also worried they'll over do it. I've started playing ranger and druid more, but druid treant nerf hits hard tho.

Well since next wipe is prob still some time away idk casters suck atm but those are my fav types of chars.

[Pwnanite]

Warlock is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, anyone saying different just wants to play the op class forever.

[Elikir]

Originally posted by Pwnanite:

Warlock is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, anyone saying different just wants to play the op class forever.

Then how the ♥♥♥♥ would YOU balance a spellcaster class who use his own HP to cast spells?

Warlock is infamous in PvP as any other ranged classes, mainly because of the unbalanced movespeed system, get shirtless, take best lightfoot boots, and you're good to go against anyone who doesn't do the same, so instead of nerfing every ranged classes to the ground, perhaps deal with the source of such problems? which is the movespeed meta?

As for PvE, warlock need sustain/regen as HE USE HIS OWN HEALTH TO CAST ♥♥♥♥, so if he can't have build-in regen, why bother playing him when wizard can cast damage spells without killing himself? or just ranger who can have 60+ arrows not taking much space but still as painful as any other ranged class

And if the devs nerf too much the torture mastery build (perk itself and/or the curse) then its gonna become another class which sucks until you get some gear to finally be worth it
as the alternative would be hydra+drain life cost too many spells slots and isn't viable during PvP

[Lecruidant]

Originally posted by Bunny:

You people do realize phantomize does NOT instantly drop aggro like that lol You complain about abilitys while having not the slightest idea how they actually work. Phantomize isnt a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ free escape button, you just ignore collision for a few seconds and then prob die anyway cause fighters, rangers whatever can either just shoot you, or just put away their weapons and catch up to you. If you complain about that skill so much .. What about sprint ? stealth ? bards endless and free insane buffs ? MOVESPEED INCLUDED, what about literally every single druid form ? especially rat form, What about dreamwalk ? its literally phantomize but on less cd and passive. Its fine if your class does it right ? thats diff ofc lol

You also do not understand how aggro dumping works. You have done nothing but go around the forums and state baseless claims against people who have hundreds if not thousands of more hours in the game than you

You're a whiney Warlock main who's kicking and screaming to not have their brainless class changed, we know

[Lecruidant]

Originally posted by Elikir:

Originally posted by Pwnanite:

Warlock is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, anyone saying different just wants to play the op class forever.

Then how the ♥♥♥♥ would YOU balance a spellcaster class who use his own HP to cast spells?

Warlock is infamous in PvP as any other ranged classes, mainly because of the unbalanced movespeed system, get shirtless, take best lightfoot boots, and you're good to go against anyone who doesn't do the same, so instead of nerfing every ranged classes to the ground, perhaps deal with the source of such problems? which is the movespeed meta?

As for PvE, warlock need sustain/regen as HE USE HIS OWN HEALTH TO CAST ♥♥♥♥, so if he can't have build-in regen, why bother playing him when wizard can cast damage spells without killing himself? or just ranger who can have 60+ arrows not taking much space but still as painful as any other ranged class

And if the devs nerf too much the torture mastery build (perk itself and/or the curse) then its gonna become another class which sucks until you get some gear to finally be worth it
as the alternative would be hydra+drain life cost too many spells slots and isn't viable during PvP

Simple. Spells need to cost far more than they do initially, CoP needs to do half as much initial up front damage if the player takes Curse Mastery, making it go off DoT (Tick) time after and not spammed for initial damage PLUS tick as they fall back over and over while also healing. Life drain also should not be able to be used on Hydra, instead, just on adds and other players. The class shouldn't get a free reset under 5 seconds just because. It has insane sustain in fights, especially when using a Kris after applying CoP. Over step or over extend yourself? Easy, hit Phantomize at any point and you're just gone if you have even remotely any idea how to path away from players and if you set up an escape route behind you.

It's really not that hard to balance this out, they just refuse to

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Lecruidant:

Originally posted by Elikir:

Then how the ♥♥♥♥ would YOU balance a spellcaster class who use his own HP to cast spells?

Warlock is infamous in PvP as any other ranged classes, mainly because of the unbalanced movespeed system, get shirtless, take best lightfoot boots, and you're good to go against anyone who doesn't do the same, so instead of nerfing every ranged classes to the ground, perhaps deal with the source of such problems? which is the movespeed meta?

As for PvE, warlock need sustain/regen as HE USE HIS OWN HEALTH TO CAST ♥♥♥♥, so if he can't have build-in regen, why bother playing him when wizard can cast damage spells without killing himself? or just ranger who can have 60+ arrows not taking much space but still as painful as any other ranged class

And if the devs nerf too much the torture mastery build (perk itself and/or the curse) then its gonna become another class which sucks until you get some gear to finally be worth it
as the alternative would be hydra+drain life cost too many spells slots and isn't viable during PvP

Simple. Spells need to cost far more than they do initially, CoP needs to do half as much initial up front damage if the player takes Curse Mastery, making it go off DoT (Tick) time after and not spammed for initial damage PLUS tick as they fall back over and over while also healing. Life drain also should not be able to be used on Hydra, instead, just on adds and other players. The class shouldn't get a free reset under 5 seconds just because. It has insane sustain in fights, especially when using a Kris after applying CoP. Over step or over extend yourself? Easy, hit Phantomize at any point and you're just gone if you have even remotely any idea how to path away from players and if you set up an escape route behind you.

It's really not that hard to balance this out, they just refuse to

If warlock's spells are going to cost more in general, every spell will need to be stronger at least with spells outside of CoP, spamming BoD or curses adds up in health cost, and with TM healing getting gutted (rightfully so), other builds need to be more viable.