Rework on creepy rogues needed.

[ESORimmer]

One of the main reasons why people switch to cleric, fighter, barbarian are weirdo rogues who just crouch from start to the end of game.
At first I thought it was not true but then when you watch the rogues play that is the only thing they do. I can't enjoy my range class when there is a class that can permanently make zero noise and walk multiple steps to while completely invisible and on top of that they have a skill that blocks all your skills. Yes rogues do make noise when they hit monsters, I am talking about mid game or late game when there are not many monsters left or they simply follow your trail.

I have no problem to split rogue heads all day with my feline axe, I love it but I would also like to play a range class from time to time. And not have constant paranoia that there is an invisible rogue crouching and giving zero noise with cut throat spell on that blocks your skills/spells.

[Aldain]

Honestly the real issue with Rogue is that it has basically no other playstyle available for it other than Landmine Rogue.

Seriously, what option build wise does a Rogue have other than putting every single egg in the basket of "Ambush nuke"?

[ESORimmer]

Yep I agree, It definitely needs a rework. Rogue now is good vs mage/range classes while sucks vs cleric,fighter, barbarian. I have a rogue class myself and I ended up fighting other rogue players. The other melee classes I just outrun and hide in the shadows and all the monsters re target the player and gives me plenty of time to escape. The problem is that I can't enjoy my mage/range classes. And I bet so does a lot of other players too.

[Ez⁧⁧ 󠁳death]

People cries about Rogue since the first Beta.
"YeAh RoGuE RuN & JUmP FaSt"
"ThEy GoT ToO MuCH SMoKE Pot"
"DaGeGrs SucKs TheY GoT A HUgE TTK"
"ThEY CaN BriNg RaNgEd WeApOn WtF"
"ThEir InVis LasTs ToO LoNgs"

And Bla bla and Bla and Bla and Bla.
We Die in one or two Hit, and we kill in 5 or 10 Hits.
So Yea we're silent; I agree creep has a great value since it's quit OP;
But wtv, just walk barefoot and you're 90% Silent, no need to use creep at the end of the day to get kills silently.

Fellas have to understand, Rogue are useless and at some point unfunny; we can't really have fun in Duo/Trio in 124+ either you're an insane player most of the times you're just scared to leave a room to encounter someone; "RuN AvOiD" since most of the class does have more move speed than us :clown:

Get killed by rogue and get mad, accept it because 90% of the time you'd win against us. One single mistake nor unluck move and we dead.

Stop complaining about the weakest class; No need to write "skill issue or sum" we're most of the times not all demi-gods player. And duh, no matter the class, if you're unaware about a possible danger in the dungeon it's mostly you're fault; I got killed by mistakes by rogues too and idgaf

[Kovac]

As a crouching rogue, it is more of a problem for us than you. You think I want to torture my fingers to hold crouch all the time? Noise is so loud in this game that being silent is the only way to survive as rogue.

[ESORimmer]

Originally posted by Ez⁧⁧ 󠁳death:

People cry about Rogue since the first Beta.
"YeAh RoGuE RuN & JUmP FaSt"
"ThEy GoT ToO MuCH SMoKE Pot"
"DaGeGrs SucKs TheY GoT A HUgE TTK"
"ThEY CaN BriNg RaNgEd WeApOn WtF"
"ThEir InVis LasTs ToO LoNgs"

And Bla bla and Bla and Bla and Bla.
We Die in one or two Hit, and we kill in 5 or 10 Hits.
So Yea we're silent; I agree creep has a great value since it's quit OP;
But wtv, just walk barefoot and you're 90% Silent, no need to use creep at the end of the day to get kills silently.

Fellas have to understand, Rogue are useless and at some point unfunny; we can't really have fun in Duo/Trio in 124+ either you're an insane player most of the times you're just scared to leave a room to encounter someone; "RuN AvOiD" since most of the class does have more move speed than us :clown:

Get killed by rogue and get mad, accept it because 90% of the time you'd win against us. One single mistake nor unluck move and we dead.

Stop complaining about the weakest class; No need to write "skill issue or sum" we're most of the times not all demi-gods player

I have no problem to split your head with my lvl 112 Barbarian all day. I have become very good at killing rogues. Just don't cry on forums that rogue is weak when most of the players will switch to a melee class. I have read your comment and you did not offer any solution other than crying.

[Ez⁧⁧ 󠁳death]

Originally posted by ESORimmer:

Originally posted by Ez⁧⁧ 󠁳death:

People cry about Rogue since the first Beta.
"YeAh RoGuE RuN & JUmP FaSt"
"ThEy GoT ToO MuCH SMoKE Pot"
"DaGeGrs SucKs TheY GoT A HUgE TTK"
"ThEY CaN BriNg RaNgEd WeApOn WtF"
"ThEir InVis LasTs ToO LoNgs"

And Bla bla and Bla and Bla and Bla.
We Die in one or two Hit, and we kill in 5 or 10 Hits.
So Yea we're silent; I agree creep has a great value since it's quit OP;
But wtv, just walk barefoot and you're 90% Silent, no need to use creep at the end of the day to get kills silently.

Fellas have to understand, Rogue are useless and at some point unfunny; we can't really have fun in Duo/Trio in 124+ either you're an insane player most of the times you're just scared to leave a room to encounter someone; "RuN AvOiD" since most of the class does have more move speed than us :clown:

Get killed by rogue and get mad, accept it because 90% of the time you'd win against us. One single mistake nor unluck move and we dead.

Stop complaining about the weakest class; No need to write "skill issue or sum" we're most of the times not all demi-gods player

I have no problem to split your head with my lvl 112 Barbarian all day. I have become very good at killing rogues. Just don't cry on forums that rogue is weak when most of the players will switch to a melee class. I have read your comment and you did not offer any solution other than crying.

I'm not crying duh, did you read my comment?
You're the one actually complaining about a problem that doesn't really exist.
"Because mister wants to chill in a dungeon full of dangers, creep needs to be rework"
Then you bring out your level on your barbarian as an ego peek or something?
You must cry a lot when you're getting killed by rogues if you have this behavior and that's on you lil bro i don't really care.

But atm there is no solution abt yo problem, creep has prolly never been used by anybody before his buff; now we got a cool friendly perk for rogues players who are less good than the others nor chilling pickpocket.

I'm most of the time not running creep, and never did back in the days. I'm bringing it on games as a pickpocket or for fun and no cares to die since I'm playing Rogue since a really long time. I'd just slow walk cut throat you/weakpoint you and you'd die anyway like many of my barbs kills every days and they'd complain about what? Me being a rat without using creep who succed to killed a barb? Yeah maybe and if you're mad about it that's a you problem.

We weak: we got cool perks for newbies and veterans.
There is so much more else to get a rework/nerf/buff, Rogue are atm stable without to be good, let it go and face the facts

[ESORimmer]

Originally posted by Ez⁧⁧ 󠁳death:

Originally posted by ESORimmer:

I have no problem to split your head with my lvl 112 Barbarian all day. I have become very good at killing rogues. Just don't cry on forums that rogue is weak when most of the players will switch to a melee class. I have read your comment and you did not offer any solution other than crying.

I'm not crying duh, did you read my comment?
You're the one actually complaining about a problem that doesn't really exist.
"Because mister wants to chill in a dungeon full of dangers, creep needs to be rework"
Then you bring out your level on your barbarian as an ego peek or something?
You must cry a lot when you're getting killed by rogues if you have this behavior and that's on you lil bro i don't really care.

But atm there is no solution abt yo problem, creep has prolly never been used by anybody before his buff; now we got a cool friendly perk for rogues players who are less good than the others nor chilling pickpocket.

I'm most of the time not running creep, and never did back in the days. I'm bringing it on games as a pickpocket or for fun and no cares to die since I'm playing Rogue since a really long time. I'd just slow walk cut throat you/weakpoint you and you'd die anyway like many of my barbs kills every days and they'd complain about what? Me being a rat without using creep who succed to killed a barb? Yeah maybe and if you're mad about it that's a you problem.

We weak: we got cool perks for newbies and veterans.
There is so much more else to get a rework/nerf/buff, Rogue are atm stable without to be good, let it go and face the facts

If you don't see that the rogue class is weak vs melee classes and strong vs range classes to the point that range classes can die instantly without doing anything than you are truly lost. And If you are not using creep skill than you are a trash rogue and this conversation is over. The comment on how you are good at killing barbarians as a rogue ok. That just tells me that you have no clue and never probably even played dark and darker. Like seriously dude you are completely delusional and have no clue. Go back to playing your 0-25 gear games killing Timmys where everything is possible and leave the comments to the big boys.

[Ez⁧⁧ 󠁳death]

Originally posted by ESORimmer:

If you don't see that the rogue class is weak vs melee classes and strong vs range classes to the point that range classes can die instantly without doing anything than you are truly lost. And If you are not using creep skill than you are a trash rogue and this conversation is over. The comment on how you are good at killing barbarians as a rogue ok. That just tells me that you have no clue and never probably even played dark and darker. Like seriously dude you are completely delusional and have no clue. Go back to playing your 0-25 gear games killing Timmys where everything is possible and leave the comments to the big boys.

I stopped at "If you are not using creep skill than you are a trash rogue":
You're a defo a clown and there is no need to brag anymore. You're a barb brain. Peace mister level 112 barb.

Edit : I might have over 300/400h only with Rogues and that's really not a huge number, try to play Rogue and see how EaSy Is To FighT anD WiN AgAiNsT A RanGe Class, get two claps by a staff and get wipe by a two shots spears, yes because every ranger class does have a melee weapon, also one or two simple spells wouldve just let you dead on the floor even at close contact, but I guess since you're a pro you must know every thing you clown, get good.

Oh and btw, you're complaining about creep. I never said that Rogue are weak nor good against X or Y class, we're just the weakest among every one in everything but yeah that's a fact and it's based on the Rogue gameplay maybe? We might have a better chance to win against a Wizz than a PDR Abusers, but it's like saying the water is blue and the hearth is a planet you challenged I think...

What about you just trying to avoid sus situation when you're playing a range class or you're just walking around every room with your spell book or your arrow with your barb brain and not trying to ask yourself, "maybe I should becarefull, because I've seen rogues on the lobby and I heard steps" ?

But actually you're free to be stupid, at the end of the day you'd cry against every Rogues, but if you're not willing to read different opinions from yours than what's the point to open a topic and to speak about a rework? I came and laugh at you bcoz you're for sure a newbie and it's okay I have time to waste and It's always a good thing to know how the others thinks, gave you every details but you're just like "Nah, my barb, I slay, I slay, Felling axe in Rogue Head, boom headshot, you not using creep? you noob?" you're funny tho

[LansDX]

First play for the rogue, then cry. lmao

[Double N'wah]

Rogues are literally the worst class I would encourage you to find out what it actually feels like to play them. Ive played everything except barb and fighter.

Also clerics arent OP you just need to pressure them harder than they pressure you.

[Cakner]

Nah i like Creep.

[Aldain]

You know one other major other issue with Rogue?

Ungeared it's crap, but with a nice BiS pair of Daggers and Move Speed stacking they quite literally can kill things in seconds.

It's a feast or famine class that is either insufferable to play or insufferable to play against with no in-between.

[ESORimmer]

II I play without good gear I stalk my opponents as a rogue until they fight other players or monsters and try to kill the survivor. If that fails I retreat as they are often slower than me. And try my chances again in a similar situation or let them live with paranoia that I might be again stalking them. It is so much fun.
But yeah geared rogue can deal a ton of damage especially to the no armor classes. It is funny to watch their reaction when they start to jump and look around when they get ambushed.

[76561199251805822]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Honestly the real issue with Rogue is that it has basically no other playstyle available for it other than Landmine Rogue.

Seriously, what option build wise does a Rogue have other than putting every single egg in the basket of "Ambush nuke"?

the only other style rogue has is pickpocket rogue and that is saying something

[Aldain]

Originally posted by Sherry:

Originally posted by Aldain:

Honestly the real issue with Rogue is that it has basically no other playstyle available for it other than Landmine Rogue.

Seriously, what option build wise does a Rogue have other than putting every single egg in the basket of "Ambush nuke"?

the only other style rogue has is pickpocket rogue and that is saying something

Exactly, while Landmine Rogue is a pain, I also sadly can't really blame anyone for using it since they're absolute jokes in regards to playstyle variety.

Rogue is the definition of "All the eggs in one basket" class design and I think that's a root cause of a lot of the frustrations surrounding it, both for people playing it and people playing against it.