Longsword fighter is overtuned and needs nerfs.

[ArmoredSoulMin]

I've always suspected this was the case, but what I had happen today was the last straw. Let me explain:

When I play Warlock in trios, I'm all like: Oh, there's a ranger over there, let me just get my Curse of Pain out aaand- the Longsword Fighter has sprinted over there and two shot him. Okay... At least there's Wizard's buffs, right? (We'll get to that later)

When I play Druid, I realize that all my transformations mean nothing to a Fighter with a parry mechanic. Hey, at least I'm good at ratting loot out, right? Oh... Sprint, Second Wind, backup shields, damage resist... no one's going to chase Fighter around the map, so he just scurries off with the loot for free.

Luckily, I'm a Wizard main, right? The last to be on the chopping block against this deranged, overpowered class that invalidates every other one, right?
Fighter's puny weapons cannot compete with a good Magic Missile barrage, or so I thought.

Trios. 124 bracket. We're running the standard Wizard/Barb/Cleric comp, going pretty well and all, the usual. That's when we see a Fighter in the library.

He's just kind of looking at us from over there. We think he's squadded up with rogues door camping or something and he's the bait, so we wait a little before going in. After we do, you won't believe what happened next.

All our buffs are up. We have some pretty damn good gear for this bracket. We know our meta stuff (Barb's got the felling axe and all that) and we generally know what's good and what isn't. We notice that his teammates are nowhere around.

Did they die earlier or something? I try and imagine so, because a solo queueing up into trios like that is so cocky that is honestly pisses me off...
Not very happy about the encounter, as you can see, and the fight hasn't even started. Just the idea of a hyper cocky Longsword Fighter queuing into trios alone just angers me for some reason.

Anyway, the buffed to hell Barb starts swinging at him, He's got his roars up, I'm ready to throw out some fireballs when he starts to run away, Cleric's ready to heal up Barb, the usual. Should be GG for a straggler, I assume.

He crouches and twists like a contortionist, literally looking behind him to parry the Barb... AND HE DOES.
The damage. That disgusting damage. Maybe he's just got BiS gear for this bracket, right? Poor Cleric damn near shat his pants, immediately proceeding to try and heal as much as he can.
'Go for the legs', I tell our Barb; 'The parry doesn't cover them'.

It's no use. Obviously, leg shots don't do as much damage as aiming for the head with the Felling Axe, and that Fighter is headshotting him whilst the Barb is hitting the leg. Barb tries to surprise him by suddenly aiming for his head, and the LS Fighter *PERFECTLY* predicts this and parries him.

What the hell...
The Wizard buffs, the roars, the Cleric healing. He didn't stand a chance. Barb tries to back off as I try to spam spells to cut the Fighter off, he's about at 25-30% health at this point. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but we can just heal up and immediately reset...

Except, notice how I said the Barb 'tries to' back off?
The Fighter pulls out a crossbow. In the blink of an eye, against a Barbarian with crazy speed swerving and jumping left, right, center with his fists out...

He nails him in the head with a bolt.
I start to panic a little and cast Magic Missile. Most of them miss, and he even *parries* the last one, trying to use the parry to basically one shot me since he's got Sprint up. I managed to avoid it, but my Cleric teammate panics and tries to get him off me with his mace. He lands one hit, before the Fighter snaps 180 and parries his second swing, headshotting him with the riposte and two-shotting him.

Before the Cleric has even dropped, I'm completely panicked and start rushing him with my dagger as soon as I saw him turn around, let alone parry him. I land about two or three stabs as he drops my Cleric teammate and is in the end animation of his attack,
...And then he turns towards me, and I hear that sound, that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgusting *cinch* sound.

He's parried me. I got ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ parried. A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ parry on a dagger, with all the latency and desync issues this game has, the smallest weapon in the game, the weapon hitboxes of a mosquito bite, and he ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ parries it?
Surprise surprise, he two shots me with that parry. 'Hey guys, fun fight, ggs' he says, and it makes my blood boil.

What the ♥♥♥♥? Is that a Cheater? When we checked, his gear wasn't even good, let alone *optimized*. It looked like it could barely pass Squire gear by a dozen or two GS, unlike us who were really trying to skirt the end of that bracket.
His name was just a little star icon on Steam. After that encounter, I paranoically scout every pre-game lobby checking for his name, ready to immediately pull the plug in case I encounter him again.

He was wiping the lobby. It didn't seem too far fetched, probably just a goated Fighter buffball comp, until we realized that this was a *solo*, no, a *solo* with *terrible* gear.
What made me even more pissed and upset was that my Barb friend seemed genuinely impressed. It's such cheese, and I tried to explain how cheese it is, but he wasn't having it. He struck a compromise with me saying 'Hey, I'll try and reach out and talk to that guy, and ask him for some gameplay advice. If he's just cheating, he won't know what he's talking about, but if he's just good, then I can get some good tips out of him, so just chill alright?'

I agreed, Guy wasn't very talkative, but he allegedly seemed to know his stuff according to my friend. When asked what his secret was, I was hoping he would confess to using a little ESP, some kind of parry cheat, a little cheating to give him a boost. And if not? Confess about how busted, broken and disgusting that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Longsword is. 'No worries Barb, I was just using a busted weapon, it's why you all lost, you're cracked, I'd lose if I was on Falchion' etc etc.

His answer was just 'fun'. Lmao. *F U N*. To elaborate, he said that he has had, and is having a ton of fun playing this game, and when you really enjoy something, it's really easy to learn and become proficient in it. He compared it to boring school lessons where you force yourself to cram a subject into your head vs genuinely enjoying learning about a subject you are interested in, and how naturally learning flows from it.

Despite all that happened, hearing my friend paraphrase this answer was genuinely what almost made me burst a blood vessel. I was fuming mad. What the ♥♥♥♥ is he talking about? Some magical ass Spongebob lesson about the value of friendship and happiness?
He's delusional as ♥♥♥♥, come on.

I feel like I'm being gaslit, and my poor Barb friend is falling for it too. Come on, some of you, let me hear it: It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ broken. You can parry and destroy anything, and the only thing stopping you from doing so is occasional desync and lag, which that guy somehow (through an exploit or cheat) got around.

He wasn't that good, he was just using a broken weapon, that's why we lost that 3v1. We would never let it happen otherwise.
I'm hoping this is a cold take, and is just one of those common sense 'no ♥♥♥♥' things that are so obvious, they're not even worth talking about.

[LunarisRuin]

Feel better now that you let it all out?

[Chaos_enjoyer]

so many letters...

[LunarisRuin]

I read the whole thing. It's just a giant tangent. Hopefully they feel better now.

[TwiceSwords]

I have had my most blood boil moments from this pvp game than any other. I feel you.

Longsword can turn the tide real fast yes. Overtuned ? I have conflicted feelings about it.
Parry = win, missed parry = loose. I was never a fan of parries in medieval games. I like using longsword parry but it feels way too much damage when I maage the pull it off and it feels crappy to even attempt it when I miss because I fall behind in dps trade and loose.

Tying 2 opposing player's result into one man's hand is not ok in my opinion that's way parries should've been replaced with someting else in medieval combat games long ago.

Even if it is overtuned, you could've won against that guy. Longsword parry hits are not guaranteed, they are just fast and brutal. (please bare with me when I say "just")

You can either be too close to longsword so he can't parry and win dps trade cause he was holding sword with hope. But this only works on most, some longsword players just play that weapon whole season and can pull of like behind crouch felling axe parry. In that case you can play the distance melee game and the moment you hear the clinck you can turn back and put distance. Parry hits are not guaranteed with movespeed it is easier to dip from those hits or (even if you are mid-swing when you hear the clink) you can crouch turn back and run straight without zig-zag. Maybe you will eat 1 of them or none but you can get better.

You can also bait his parry. Start the swing normally to the head immedietaly look down so your bending down movement speeds up your weapon hence you can miss the parry unexpectedly. Swinging to legs, arms, intentional miss into second direckt combo attack.

You can swing intentional miss attacks non stop untill he starts his normal attack. Trying things and hoping is the best a casual like me can do. He might still pull it off and has the upper hand of dps trade.

I used longsword and fought against people using it. I feel confident against longswords if they are plate warriors cause they are slow and I can use my weapon in max range and move away if parried. But naked warlocks can catch me when they get the parry.

[Count Schmeckula]

play longsword fighter for a bit and you'll see it takes skill

[Holiday]

Hi chatGPT I need you to write me a wall of text

[THEUZIN Fé em Deus é os Z1KA]

They need to nerf the parry window, right now it's too easy

[HALO_run]

he was a cheater dmg buffs and takes less dmg then he should i've been killed by a player with a long blade, and all he had was poor gear only to one shot all 3 of us without perry,

just report players like that, you can tell it's fish'y when a poor kitted player one shots blue to higher it shouldn't be the case, even with perry

[LunarisRuin]

Originally posted by HALO_run:

he was a cheater dmg buffs and takes less dmg then he should i've been killed by a player with a long blade, and all he had was poor gear only to one shot all 3 of us without perry,

just report players like that, you can tell it's fish'y when a poor kitted player one shots blue to higher it shouldn't be the case, even with perry

it can and does happen, which is fine. it should always be the more skilled player, not who has the bigger stats

[Double N'wah]

Called it. Its another druid rat scenario. The only way to deal with it is start taking things away like parrying arrows/spells, parrying shifted druid forms such as bear overhead smash, and reducing the free strikes after parry to 1 from 2. Also yes daggers shouldnt be parried.

Buffing daggers so they are 100% unable to be parried is a great way to buff your way out of the problem instead of just nerfing. Also gives rogues a bone since they could use one. Cant parry a guy whos chest is touching your chest when he stabs you tbf.

[CyanCatMan]

Originally posted by Moral Pillar Of The Community:

Called it. Its another druid rat scenario. The only way to deal with it is start taking things away like parrying arrows/spells, parrying shifted druid forms such as bear overhead smash, and reducing the free strikes after parry to 1 from 2. Also yes daggers shouldnt be parried.

Buffing daggers so they are 100% unable to be parried is a great way to buff your way out of the problem instead of just nerfing. Also gives rogues a bone since they could use one.

Don't daggers go through shields / not get slowed down by them?

[Double N'wah]

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

Originally posted by Moral Pillar Of The Community:

Called it. Its another druid rat scenario. The only way to deal with it is start taking things away like parrying arrows/spells, parrying shifted druid forms such as bear overhead smash, and reducing the free strikes after parry to 1 from 2. Also yes daggers shouldnt be parried.

Buffing daggers so they are 100% unable to be parried is a great way to buff your way out of the problem instead of just nerfing. Also gives rogues a bone since they could use one.

Don't daggers go through shields / not get slowed down by them?

Weapons in general phase through enemies if youre too close and will often do no damage. It also works on doors. The best streamer in the game who gets devs announcing the future of the game on his stream - exploits on his stream smacking people through doors with a torch by looking straight down at the ground when he swings. Phases the torch through the door and hits the enemy on the other side of it. Apparently not a bannable offense.