solo self found mode

[Grimmz]

i'm curious to hear people's thoughts about this.

because the common complaints seem to revolve around power and stat stacking.

so what if you remove market and trading, allow people to only use what they find.
no more gear building or minmaxing via market. you just save the pieces by yourself.

what do you guys think are the pros and cons for this?

maybe we could also add a hardcore element to it? 1 life. thoughts?

[Herbspiceguy]

Sweats/no-lifers would still be miles ahead, likely even more than with access to the market.

[Grimmz]

Originally posted by Herbspiceguy:

Sweats/no-lifers would still be miles ahead, likely even more than with access to the market.

so how would you combat sweats/no-lifers?

you seem to have a problem with people that are more competitive.
they work harder, so they get better rewards..

they do this because they want to be more powerful, they want to have an edge in the competition, which is the whole point of this extraction genre.

[Herbspiceguy]

That's your assumption. I've been playing since the playtests and have 0 problem with people that are competitive at all. I think high level play with juiced kits definitely needs to have a place in the game. I love watching streamers who go all out, and the best fights are the equal skilled/geared ones.

My reply is a reaction to the problem you mentioned "because the common complaints seem to revolve around power and stat stacking". I just don't think SSF removes this problem, as ppl with the more time will still be power/stat stacking, ableit at a slower pace then they'd have access to the market.

[76561199251805822]

1 life sounds fun but i cant see how it can be done without making the game suck tbh

[Grimmz]

Originally posted by Herbspiceguy:

That's your assumption. I've been playing since the playtests and have 0 problem with people that are competitive at all. I think high level play with juiced kits definitely needs to have a place in the game. I love watching streamers who go all out, and the best fights are the equal skilled/geared ones.

My reply is a reaction to the problem you mentioned "because the common complaints seem to revolve around power and stat stacking". I just don't think SSF removes this problem, as ppl with the more time will still be power/stat stacking, ableit at a slower pace then they'd have access to the market.

yeah but people with bis gear are still not immortal right?

i mean people with blue gear can still own legendary gear people, there is skill expression.

SSF would make bad players learn the game instead of them relying in gear/meta.

like, how many times have i completely outplayed my opponent but simply lost because they statchecked me with their optimized gear.. with SSF it would make people to think twice before engaing in combat. its a far greater loss when you need to gather pieces by yourself. you can't just hold W and be like ''yeah cos i got better gear i will win when i facecheck them'' it'll make them think more about the engagement since it wont be as easy for them to build another good kit again.

its like dark souls.. every time you lose, you need to do the mechanic better instead of just re-gearing and beating the opponent simply because of your powerlevel.
it forces people to learn more than just grabbing an easy op kit because you have gold for it. the fear of losing it and starting over in effect.

[DNG]

people are always complaining in this game.

[Grimmz]

Originally posted by Jicko's Dad:

people are always complaining in this game.

yeah thanks for the input that has nothing to do with the post.

[=[*PoS*]= The Predator of Death]

Originally posted by Grimmz:

Originally posted by Herbspiceguy:

Sweats/no-lifers would still be miles ahead, likely even more than with access to the market.

so how would you combat sweats/no-lifers?

you seem to have a problem with people that are more competitive.
they work harder, so they get better rewards..

they do this because they want to be more powerful, they want to have an edge in the competition, which is the whole point of this extraction genre.

I always have an Edge in everything like i'm edging to this comment right now

[NittNittNitt]

I always love self found modes in games so if they add it I'd be 100% percent on board. The hardcore 1 life though is a little bit too masochistic.

[Rikuto01]

Originally posted by Grimmz:

i'm curious to hear people's thoughts about this.

because the common complaints seem to revolve around power and stat stacking.

so what if you remove market and trading, allow people to only use what they find.
no more gear building or minmaxing via market. you just save the pieces by yourself.

what do you guys think are the pros and cons for this?

maybe we could also add a hardcore element to it? 1 life. thoughts?

If the game had millions of players, sure.

[MisterSmellies]

Isn't this just free to play?

[Aldain]

The problem isn't specifically stat stacking, it's WHAT stats you can stack and to what extent.

Look back before they capped true damage gains for an example, and I still hold that Move Speed is another one that shouldn't be something that can be stacked either (especially via Lightfoot Boots).

And that's not even touching the sheer IDIOCY that was +All affixes.

[Cakner]

not being able to play with my friends sounds lame.

[Falagor]

I would love to have SSF option on character creation:
- disabled trading on market
- disabled trading with other players
- no shared stash with your other characters
- you can only enter solo

There must be one change in quest done though - at Fortune Teller "Sacrifices Must Be Made". Can't resurect others in this mode so quest is incompletable.

Question is:
should SSF players play vs only other SSF players or everyone?

If the first option - it would split playerbase too much imo.
If the second option then there is still possibility to "cheat" the SSF system and have your friend pre-join same solo lobby with gear that could be given to you. I know it's forbidden now but that does not mean it will not happen.