I give up! Blocking straight up doesn't work in PVP in this game!

[Kligan]

I've played for a hundred of hours now. And almost all of it is on a fighter.

I really like the idea of a fighter with a shield. And I got really good at blocking... in PVE. I got myself to demigod solo.. which is, let's be honest, is not that impressive because it's mostly just PVE grind, but still, just to give you an idea that I at least don't speak out of my ass and have some experience with the game.

However, when it comes to PVP, the shield just stops working for me - I watch death cams and I see me getting hit THROUGH the shield with blood splatters coming THROUGH THE SHIELD.

At first I thought maybe I'm doing something wrong. So I begin to watch streams and youtube videos and tutorials to see what I might be missing.
Turn in the direction of the swing. Yup, been doing that the whole time.
Don't leave body parts exposed. Yeah, that's a given.
Learn the weapon patterns. U-huh, done that too. Most of them are simple, and the majority of people only use a few "meta" weapons anyway.
Remember the server response time. Yes, I was keeping that in mind the whole time.

None of this matters.
As soon as it's PVP, 2 out of 3 times I'm getting obliterated through the shield.

My last PVP fight was against a cleric with a morning star. Which swings straight from the top and aims to the head. So I thought, ok, let's try an extreme case where I'll be blockin WAY in advance. And I saw a guy on youtube crouching and looking up with the shield and intercepting morning star swings.
So I do that.... And get three-tapped.
I watch the replay back - all my opponent can see from the first person perspective is my shield. Not a single body part exposed. And I STILL GET HIT THROUGH THE SHIELD WITH BLOOD SPLATTERS 3 out of 3 times (also, a side note, a healer class, by the way, just 3-taps a supposed "tank" class with 153 hp, u-huh).

It feels as if the server just doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about my blocks. It's like I have 200+ ms on seeing opponent actions.
But I can't even be sure because for some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason we are not allowed to see our ping in the game!

I'm playing on Frankfurt EU. And when I check my connection to Frankfurt outside the game, I get 45-47 ms.
So that just doesn't make any sense!

Never in any other online game have I experienced such blatant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with server jsut saying "screw you and your inputs". And I played A LOT of online PVP games.

[mute all chat]

watch some guides to understand how blocking works.
I have litteraly 0 issues with shield, except with some tricky weapons

[Boutus]

Are barbarians hitting you? Is this a mostly barb thing? As they do impact damage throug hshields.

[Kligan]

Originally posted by mute all chat:

watch some guides to understand how blocking works.
I have litteraly 0 issues with shield, except with some tricky weapons

I understand that my post is a lot of text, but I got this covered in there.
I watched multiple videos to see if I can catch something that I was missing.

Originally posted by Boutus:

Are barbarians hitting you? Is this a mostly barb thing? As they do impact damage throug hshields.

No, I literally get hit THROUGH the shield in 2 out of 3 pvp encounters by anyone in melee. I specifically watch death cam from the first person perspective to see what I did wrong. It's like it doesn't even matter if my shield is in the way or not, the blood splatter comes through the shield when the weapon hits the shield (when I hold RMB, obviously) with the sound of hitting the body. And I get full damage.
I don't even get half-blocks.

My blocking in PVE is almost 100% success, unless I really ♥♥♥♥ up or get distracted. But in PVP it doesn't work majority of the time no matter what I do.

[Aldain]

I'm still not sure if I should be blocking from my perspective or from the perspective of the one attacking me.

It very often feels more biased towards the latter.

[Tristin]

When it comes to close combat, I suggest you rely on secondary, longsword instead.

[MisterSmellies]

It does work. Look on youtube "Your boy Blinn"

he only plays sword and shield fighter and he does great in pvp gets a lot of kills. He has a video guide on blocking and he breaks down all his fights saying what happened. Really good for fighters/shield users to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhP5GN-TG6U&t=49s

[Kligan]

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

It does work. Look on youtube "Your boy Blinn"

he only plays sword and shield fighter and he does great in pvp gets a lot of kills. He has a video guide on blocking and he breaks down all his fights saying what happened. Really good for fighters/shield users to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhP5GN-TG6U&t=49s

I already wathed that. I tried to do what he does as well.

I. GET. HIT. THROUGH. THE. SHIELD.

Only in pvp, roughly ever 2 out of 3 encounters.

[MisterSmellies]

Originally posted by Kligan:

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

It does work. Look on youtube "Your boy Blinn"

he only plays sword and shield fighter and he does great in pvp gets a lot of kills. He has a video guide on blocking and he breaks down all his fights saying what happened. Really good for fighters/shield users to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhP5GN-TG6U&t=49s

I already wathed that. I tried to do what he does as well.

I. GET. HIT. THROUGH. THE. SHIELD.

Only in pvp, roughly ever 2 out of 3 encounters.

Me too so clearly we aren't doing what he does and we need to get good.

[epreber0809]

I've made blocks in PVP and I'm just a novice...

[Kligan]

Originally posted by MisterSmellies:

Me too so clearly we aren't doing what he does and we need to get good.

OR! Why is that that other medieval action games it's working, but here - ♥♥♥♥ all?
Even in PVE there are issues, ACKNOWLEDGED issues with being hit through the shield if player stands too close to the mob or some funky stuff happens.
Like ice caverns spear skeletons, for example. Unless you KNOW to back up from them, the spear WILL go through the shield and WILL hit you.

What to me seems is happening is that this issue is being massively exaggerated by server-client communication delay.
But we also not allowed to see our ping, so it's a guessing game.

[Bonnie]

weapons are based on the part of the weapon that hits you. i would bet money that youre getting smacked on the shield with the handle of the mace, and getting hit on the top of the head with the head of it. it happens to me all the time, just be smarter and block higher

[meda]

good. I have enough shield tryhards in pvp

[Sherryge]

these comments are just trolling with you right now, but the hitboxes are pretty scuffed with some weapons and this sucks even harder for longswords parry.
aside from that i really hate the fact that blocking is very very different from what you see in pov both for shield and longsword it took alot of messing up to get used to where the hitboxes really are. some overall qol changes for hitboxes would help but i really dont want to see more shield turtle strats just longsword lol

[Kligan]

Originally posted by Sherryge:

these comments are just trolling with you right now, but the hitboxes are pretty scuffed with some weapons and this sucks even harder for longswords parry.
aside from that i really hate the fact that blocking is very very different from what you see in pov both for shield and longsword it took alot of messing up to get used to where the hitboxes really are. some overall qol changes for hitboxes would help but i really dont want to see more shield turtle strats just longsword lol

I feel like it's some sort of client-server issue. Because besides clipping through when player and mob models intersect up close - it works great in PVE, when it's only MY information is being peocessed by the server.
As soon as other people start to get involved, the entire blocking mechanic ♥♥♥♥♥ itself on my end. As I explained multiple times, I watch the replays, I watch them in third and in first person to see what happened. I see that my model is being covered. And I see blood splatter flying through the shield, at a point where its not supposed to.

[Blaze Shadowflame]

You're gonna need to post a video of what's happening. It's hard to tell if it's a genuine server issue or if you aren't blocking at the correct angle if we can't see it.