rogue too op

[The Crusading Emu]

love it how you can have the best armor in the game and a rogue can just go completely invisible and stab u 3 times in the back and ur dead with all your stuff u just hunted for 3 hours and nothing u can do about it

[Azimut]

Complete nonsense, rogue is weakest class and every goblin in cave you forced to duel to death.

[Dracoco OwO]

Rogue truly sucks because of pve i'd say, but if you mess your ambush you're probably dead too.

[Oddball]

Big issue with rogue is they can't sneak past npcs without setting them off. So they will still at some point still need to fight their way through areas. This is a pain as they can't stalk while invis, making them more ambushers than stalkers. You want to ambush someone who thinks they're in a room that has not been visited yet, and get distracted with fighting mobs and looting. Sitting and waiting for someone to stroll into your undisturbed room is dull.

Rogues should have +hearing like rangers as a skill choice.

[Double N'wah]

Originally posted by Oddball:

Originally posted by Aldain:

It's a bit more that they recently gave thrusting daggers Armor Penetration which is amplified by the higher DPS of the daggers.

This compounds with the move speed issue imo, making something that is both significantly faster than the targets as well as capable of punching through armor, which already is at a disadvantage due to being slower and easier to kite/outrun.

Yeah. Right now, speed is king. But even then, the speed difference between armored 290's and lighter 310+ isn't dramatic. Think for as fast as the attack speed rogue's have, maybe their weapon damage of the daggers could be lowered, or damage resist of armors increased, or both. Seems like it should take many hits to a heavily armored... but still, backstabbing is different as it implies "critical" hits in vulnerable areas of the armor.

The 2h warmaul for clerics if equipped drops them down to ~245 (theyre a mobility class now that they cant use armor)

[WyseFool]

Warlocks are broken, not rogues. Rogues are fine in my book. Hell, most of the time I don't even mind druids. But warlocks, you can all eat the feces at the bottom of the troll pit.

[Double N'wah]

Originally posted by WyseFool:

Warlocks are broken, not rogues. Rogues are fine in my book. Hell, most of the time I don't even mind druids. But warlocks, you can all eat the feces at the bottom of the troll pit.

Rogues are 100% about setup and doing damage for like 3 seconds then being garbage. Their abilities etc are all frontloaded and then its just some dude with daggers who gets 1 shot with a 2h.