Do not buy dark and darker ...

[THEUZIN Fé em Deus é os Z1KA]

Play it for free.

The game launched last year and still have the same fundamental problems, and the devs are still incapable of balancing the core aspects of the game.

- The class balance is trash, there is 0 skill in late game PVP you either instakill or get instakilled, in the end it is all based on stats, the only way to not get instakilled is having a cleric in your team, one of the most broken classes in the game, meaning if you don't play with a cleric in your team, and the opposite team have a cleric, they can commit countless mistake and win the fight by spamming heals, since it's the only classes that can consistently heal mid combat without any skill involved.

- They keep balancing the game around stats, that's why bard/cleric are broken, you can simply keep spamming buffs on your team until you're overloaded with stats and hold w+m1, without any consequence, until they start balancing the game around skill not numbers (equipment should help, but it shouldn't be the major factor in a PVP situation), it will die again just like when it launched, there is no fun in late game PVP, once the honeymoon phase ends and more players realize that, the player count will plummet.

- The devs keep catering to no lifers and sweaty streamers, since they only care about abusing broken mechanics they keep defending toxic mechanics in order to abuse them, meaning they don't want a balanced game, they want to be able to stomp new players, it's one of the reasons why devs are running circles with the game balance. (before the sweaty soyboys start spamming skill issue, i have around 300 hours, played a good amount of high roller with 4 classes (fighter/barbarian/mage/cleric).

- No decent matchmaking, after 25 gearscore, there is no matchmaking balance, even if you have 26 gear score, you will get in a lobby with a no life sweaty tryhard abusing the most braindead classes in the game, while you just want to have fun with your friends.

- Garbage move speed system, and here it is, the biggest problem in the game, the current meta in dark and darker is really toxic, there are no melee fights, if you think it's like mordhaul or chivalry, you're completely wrong, everybody is just spamming ranged weapons paired with broken move speed, you can only play melee classes, while abusing the broken stats system with a bard/wizard to buff you, else you're getting easily kited.

- Brainwashing and gas lighting by sweaty players and streamers, last year they've separated the lobbies in two modes, gray/white/green equipment and other mode without any restrictions, after 3 days they reverted the patch, because since the sweaty players and streamers weren't able to hold w+m1 and clean the lobby with overpowered gear, they started crying to the devs, because nobody was playing the no restriction lobbies, also if you read some of the comments in the discussion thread or even in the discord, you will find a lot of sweaty tryhards trying to gaslight new players into thinking the game is perfect and the classes they are abusing at the moment are not broken, the worst part is, the devs cater to those people and tend to create a toxic broken meta.

If you don't believe me, just play the game, but don't buy it or else you will regret it.

The free mode is the better version of the game, with >25 gear score match making you will get the best dark and darker can offer, being the only problem in this mode the garbage class balance but not so aggravated by the stats problem, this mode is playable and even fun (until you find a bard/cleric with 13 active buffs without any items), high roller is a cesspoll of toxicity and broken mechanic abusers.

[Fliege]

tldr, stfu and move on

[Lightwarden]

I agree with OP, I will however buy it, when they balance it better, at least the matchmaking system experience for brand new players like me, and some qotl polishing. This game is good and has a lot of potential, but there is still much more to develop.

[Oku]

I bought it because I find it fun and if I find a free game fun I will spend money on it. I have no interest in people whining about the usual early access issues that new indie studios always end up having to deal with. If I cared about those I wouldn’t be playing an early access game.

[Bassuha]

Bought it after about 10 hours of playtime as I wanted to play other classes and HR. And while i don't regret buying it, OP is on point. Every time me and my buddy tried to play HR we got one-shot by duo druid in panther form + bard buffing it even more.
These balance changes are just stupid. Like, why buff warclock multiple times, when he's already a pain in the ass to deal with, so now 40-50% of the lobby is warlock.
And they also butcher wizzard so nobody's playing him

[Partl]

Yea, i guess balancing could be better - but i will still buy it sooner or later.

1st because i think they can't improve without money
2nd because the ftp model is decend
3rd because i payed more for games that made less fun

Let's all hope, they get it right. And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, plz tilt the bow to the right not to the left, palm downwards not upwards. When it comes to how a ranger holds his bow, they made every wrong they possibly could. As an archer myself, it is like seeing a fighter holding his sword by the blade, instead of the handle xD

[THEUZIN Fé em Deus é os Z1KA]

Originally posted by Oku:

I bought it because I find it fun and if I find a free game fun I will spend money on it. I have no interest in people whining about the usual early access issues that new indie studios always end up having to deal with. If I cared about those I wouldn’t be playing an early access game.

Originally posted by Partl:

Yea, i guess balancing could be better - but i will still buy it sooner or later.

1st because i think they can't improve without money
2nd because the ftp model is decend
3rd because i payed more for games that made less fun

Let's all hope, they get it right. And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, plz tilt the bow to the right not to the left, palm downwards not upwards. When it comes to how a ranger holds his bow, they made every wrong they possibly could. As an archer myself, it is like seeing a fighter holding his sword by the blade, instead of the handle xD

They launched the game off steam almost a year ago, 1 year have passed and the game still faces the same problem, its not going to get better, just look at the last patch, they don't test anything, warlock one of the most op and played classes got buffed for no reason, and 3 days later they nerfed it again, they have no idea in how to balance the game.

[DraWol]

Until "Skill issue!!!" 3... 2... 1...

[Kaede]

They left Nexon but little did they know, Nexon never left them

[Macamar]

Youre gonna end up with a lot of angry no lifers and try hards defending this game in this discussion btw. Its kinda sad how theyre unwilling to admit that this game has some pretty major issues as of rn and that even though its still early access the current dev team is seemingly incapable of balancing the game properly and only caters to the no lifers because of how hard they whine and cry.

[Oku]

Originally posted by Sir Cacetinho:

Originally posted by Oku:

I bought it because I find it fun and if I find a free game fun I will spend money on it. I have no interest in people whining about the usual early access issues that new indie studios always end up having to deal with. If I cared about those I wouldn’t be playing an early access game.

Originally posted by Partl:

Yea, i guess balancing could be better - but i will still buy it sooner or later.

1st because i think they can't improve without money
2nd because the ftp model is decend
3rd because i payed more for games that made less fun

Let's all hope, they get it right. And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, plz tilt the bow to the right not to the left, palm downwards not upwards. When it comes to how a ranger holds his bow, they made every wrong they possibly could. As an archer myself, it is like seeing a fighter holding his sword by the blade, instead of the handle xD

They launched the game off steam almost a year ago, 1 year have passed and the game still faces the same problem, its not going to get better, just look at the last patch, they don't test anything, warlock one of the most op and played classes got buffed for no reason, and 3 days later they nerfed it again, they have no idea in how to balance the game.

It's almost like they were being sued by a corporation because said corporation thought that having skeletons in your game was copyright infringement because they too had skeletons in their game.

I don't give a ♥♥♥♥. I find the game fun. Nothing you say or do is going to make me not find it fun lmao

[Rikuto01]

As a fighter main, I can attest that move speed is a problem that makes the game unfun for melee at times, and if you're playing solo you need to compromise on your builds to stand a chance.

I can also attest that despite this, game is fun and devs are worth supporting. Unsupported devs tend to have little motivation to fix grievances.

As for the whole "catering to streamers" thing, I'd say a few of them do definitely have the devs ears but there isn't this massive disconnect between the average streamer and the average timmy. The devs spend a lot of time in discord listening to feedback. If anything, THAT is the reason balance swings around so much. They should, if anything, learn to stop listening to the average player so much. Or at the very least, every moron who knows how to type in all caps.

[Faitheal]

Game has issues, but if you don't feel the fun, excitement, and potential of this game, you are simply someone who does not enjoy gaming. It's really that simple.

[Hans]

I have to say I have more fun in the high roller dungeons than I do in the normal dungeons. There are definitely long time players abusing new people in the lower tiers by keeping their gear score barely sub 299 and it's boring AF to play forever at <25 GS because you can never equip anything new.

I'm sure in the high roller dungeons once I rank up a bit I'll be back to the same issue of getting kited by cloth wearing warlocks with infinite heals, but IMO it beats what I can only describe as bullying going on in the normal tier 25-299.

[Solo Pk'er]

lol you talk, last night i saw a double juiced cleric and bard get trampled on by a demonlock and his two negligible accessories.

if it was a 2.2b company handling the game, it would be up in smoke last year, imagine ordering a pizza in a restaurant and getting served chiken pie, warm sushi, burger or kung pow repeatedly, over and over again, thats what happens when theres a board/shareholders with devnuts firmly in their grip. 10000% the game is in good hands currently

its an engine issue and balance issue (i.e spell ok for trios but absolutely BFG solos, its unsolvable)

the game was constructed from the ground up as a trio, every single complaint on reddit here or whatever ABSOLUTELY 100000% is attributed to this simple fact. And the ONLY way to solve ALL (99.89786%) of the complaints/problems/bugs etc is to reengineer it to solo.
That, and the policing of mass f2p accounts (cheats)

[evolgenius]

IDK something needs to happen. This game became genre-defining to the point where people are already copying it, sluggishness and all. Nexon/P3/Mythril are gonna SHAMELESSLY copy paste and attempt to out budget this passion project; hoping to drown it in the shadows of heir souless copy paste Dungeonborne/Project Crawl.


The really hard reality of it is the copycat isgoing to be shinier, newer, more resources both monetarily and development behind it, you can see this even with just the UI work they've done. I've watched the gameplay, it's not arcadier, it's still skill-based and it feels like a complete copy/paste of this game with some tweaks to ability count and classes. (You can watch streamers playing closed beta) Not to mention it's a company that specializes in MMORPGS, i'm sure they will figure out how to balance the classes out.

I don't know, but it appears that IronMace is maybe crossing their fingers and banking on their die-hard sweats to carry this game, which is why they are catering to them and not newer players... but idk, perhaps not that would be an insanely stupid strategy. The second that other game drops and becomes remotely popular, the more people are going to think the original is the copycat. IM needs to re-innovate this game to where they feel like two completely different games. It needs to be like a fish that jumps into a completely different pond and I don't know how to pull off that miracle, they're gonna need Jesus.

It makes me sad especially with all of the passion in this game, the ordeals they went through, all the legal drama surrounding it - I hate to see the underdogs with the passion to create this, get ripped off by not just any company, but THE shovelware-mmo cashgrabiest abandonware company that exists. An entitled ass company that thinks it owns it's employees and their ideas and dreams. Screw NEXON. They took the idea and stole it hoping IM's idea will make them the pioneers of something instead of being known as that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company where MMORPGS go to die.