So why buy this "Free To Play" for 30$?

[Silverbox]

At least I discovered this game "Dungeonborne" which is the same idea but looks much more polished. At least these folks will probably put a cost upfront with no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

30$ for this game is just too much. You have been very greedy devs, 10€ or so... with free weekends to grab attention and you had a nice formula.

As it stands you are not going to beat the new games coming on this genre.

I would rather wishlist and wait for Dungeonborne than buying this for 30$. The only reason I played this game in the past (and it was fun) is because a friend played with me. And we did it for free, free as in 0$ not 30$.

[Herbspiceguy]

Okay, bro, enjoy Dungeonborne, bye.

[Howl]

Originally posted by Silverbox:

At least I discovered this game "Dungeonborne" which is the same idea but looks much more polished. At least these folks will probably put a cost upfront with no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

30$ for this game is just too much. You have been very greedy devs, 10€ or so... with free weekends to grab attention and you had a nice formula.

As it stands you are not going to beat the new games coming on this genre.

I would rather wishlist and wait for Dungeonborne than buying this for 30$. The only reason I played this game in the past (and it was fun) is because a friend played for me and we did it for free.

You clearly haven't played either games lmfao

[Silverbox]

Originally posted by Deathtroth:

"Compared To A Game That's Not Even Out, This Playable Game Sucks"
10/10

Dungeonborne Does Look Like The Same Thing Because:
They Ripped This Off As Soon As Steam Took This Down.

You Literally Cant Even Play Dungeonborne. The One Requirement Of A Game: Playable.
Go Ahead, Try Right Now, I'll Wait.

I would not call Dark and Darker "finished" it's available, but the UI is bad and the gameplay feels clunky. Graphics and effects are mostly poor for a game asking 30$, which by the way they do that outside of Steam to avoid regional prices and the Steam fees. People have reported 72h waiting after its purchase so Dark and Darker is not finished either.

As far as I know you could not even connect yesterday to the game so "playable" is also not the word to use on a game with long queues and bad servers like in this case.

Don't get me wrong, I loved to play when it was free on Steam before they removed it, but the game is undeniably rough. And not worth 30$.

Dungeonborne is objectively superior by just looking at their store page, the gameplay will be similar. Of course their success will depend on pricing and final execution but I will not play a game that claims to be "Free to Play if you Pay 30$"

Final test is 3rd July for Dungeonborne. So expect it soon.

[Liam]

So was dungeonborne good?

[Silverbox]

Originally posted by Liam:

So was dungeonborne good?

It is good, main issue is that performance must be fixed. It goes 60FPS no problem, but it should be even smoother with my hardware and FSR. Not sure that was the play test build but that needs to be improved.

Aside from that has some balance issues at the very beginning because you spawn with a few enemies and you are very weak even at level 5 a random flying thing can hit you and remove most of your HP while your mana also does not last much. But this is also me playing a mague and not blocking hits.

But the game is definitively better than Dark and Darker, more polished on the game options and its UI, etc. I would not pay 30$ for neither Dark and Darker nor Dungeonborne, however.

[Modragor]

Originally posted by Silverbox:

Originally posted by Liam:

So was dungeonborne good?

It is good, main issue is that performance must be fixed. It goes 60FPS no problem, but it should be even smoother with my hardware and FSR. Not sure that was the play test build but that needs to be improved.

Aside from that has some balance issues at the very beginning because you spawn with a few enemies and you are very weak even at level 5 a random flying thing can hit you and remove most of your HP while your mana also does not last much. But this is also me playing a mague and not blocking hits.

But the game is definitively better than Dark and Darker, more polished on the game options and its UI, etc. I would not pay 30$ for neither Dark and Darker nor Dungeonborne, however.

Game developers need money to pay their bills and employees. I will tell you a well hidden secret: They get this money by selling games or game content. Mind busting, isn´t it?

[Silverbox]

Originally posted by Modragor:

Game developers need money to pay their bills and employees. I will tell you a well hidden secret: They get this money by selling games or game content. Mind busting, isn´t it?

So? what is your point?

If they want to sell garbage for 30$ I will not buy it so they won't get my money, they can do what they want with their "game content".

Dark and Darker is not currently a game that should be charging 30$ and Dungeonborne
- at least for me - needs to improve the performance before I consider purchasing it; assuming it is not going to be Free to Play that is.

As for skins and micro transactions, I pass. I will not buy a game that relies on these to actually play.

You are free to throw your money the way you want. There is plenty of garbage you can spend 50$ in, if you don't care.

[Rikuto01]

I wish you luck with DB. I dont believe that game will operate for more than a year or two, but who knows. Has a bit too much mobile energy.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

I wish you luck with DB. I dont believe that game will operate for more than a year or two, but who knows. Has a bit too much mobile energy.

Honestly if nothing else I'm kind of hoping that all these Dark and Darker-likes will encourage a dev to make a good deep single player one as well down the road.

I like dungeon crawlers, but it always feels like so many of them lean too hard on the old Ultima style grid based game design, which don't get me wrong I enjoy that style (Etrian Odyssey is one of my favorite franchises for example), but god I wish there was something like DaD that wasn't strictly on a grid or trying too hard to be like King's Field.

[CyanCatMan]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Honestly if nothing else I'm kind of hoping that all these Dark and Darker-likes will encourage a dev to make a good deep single player one as well down the road.

I like dungeon crawlers, but it always feels like so many of them lean too hard on the old Ultima style grid based game design, which don't get me wrong I enjoy that style (Etrian Odyssey is one of my favorite franchises for example), but god I wish there was something like DaD that wasn't strictly on a grid or trying too hard to be like King's Field.

There seems to be rumors of censorship going on currently.
Least that's what one post and several reddit comments on posts pointing out issues are showing so far.
And with the heavy handed "We're looking out for YOU guys Ow<" attitude i can't help but be cautious now.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

There seems to be rumors of censorship going on currently.
Least that's what one post and several reddit comments on posts pointing out issues are showing so far.
And with the heavy handed "We're looking out for YOU guys Ow<" attitude i can't help but be cautious now.

Censorship regarding what exactly? Like damage control for Dungeonborne or DaD?

I'm kind of out of the loop with all of that at the moment.

[Rikuto01]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

There seems to be rumors of censorship going on currently.
Least that's what one post and several reddit comments on posts pointing out issues are showing so far.
And with the heavy handed "We're looking out for YOU guys Ow<" attitude i can't help but be cautious now.

Censorship regarding what exactly? Like damage control for Dungeonborne or DaD?

I'm kind of out of the loop with all of that at the moment.

Goblin dongs, clearly.

Quick, inform Grummz. We must take to twitter and start a crusade over nothing immediately! #letemdangle

[Silverbox]

Originally posted by Rikuto01:

I wish you luck with DB. I dont believe that game will operate for more than a year or two, but who knows. Has a bit too much mobile energy.

I see Dark and Darker much more "mobile" than Dungeon Borne.

I don't understand why people think that looks like a "mobile" game, it is much more polished than Dark and Darker in many aspects.

[FEEP]

go play dungeonborne then have fun with that......

[CyanCatMan]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Censorship regarding what exactly? Like damage control for Dungeonborne or DaD?

I'm kind of out of the loop with all of that at the moment.

Oh sorry, Dungeonborne and their Goblin dongs.
Got an issue with how the playtests were unstable and / or class issues? They'll just tuck you away. And people aren't taking the last point of their pricing post of them taking a jab at DaD's shard system in good taste, they got a 0 tolerance policy for pointing that one out or at least they did for 1 day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dungeonborne/comments/1e2guwj/5_day_countdown_to_launch_and_why_we_arent/

4. Standard Practices:
You’ll be able to purchase Dungeonborne directly through Steam using standard methods. We will not be exploiting loopholes by asking you to buy "shards" to purchase the game, making it non-refundable. We respect your right to refund the game if it doesn't meet your expectations.