Dark and Darker stole the game "P3" from Nexon look at the similarities

[The Don]

The canceled Nexon game P3 looks like a better version of dark and darker according to the small amount of footage that can be found. It is stupid that Nexon is shutting down an amazing game that they ABANDONED in the first place but Dark and Darker truly does look like the knock off version.

[chee cawa]

literally no one cares

[rip lil peep]

This is bothersome. I can't believe they brazenly stole the code from the P3 game. While I enjoyed Dark and Darker, it's hard for me to excuse this kind of behavior from the devs, given they knew what they did was wrong.

Hopefully they do the right thing and squash development for this game out of respect for Nexon. Maybe then Nexon will take the reins and develop a finished P3 game that we can all enjoy free of any moral or legal dilemmas.

[Вышибатя]

Originally posted by SeaJiggle:

The canceled Nexon game P3 looks like a better version of dark and darker according to the small amount of footage that can be found. It is stupid that Nexon is shutting down an amazing game that they ABANDONED in the first place but Dark and Darker truly does look like the knock off version.

Do you know why there is so little material on P3? Because it doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ exist as any kind of ready-made project. What makes you think that P3 is better, you only have 2 screenshots and a five-second video at 10 fps. And on the other hand, you've seen the playable version of Dark and Darker. What inspires you that Nexon has a better version?

[Tomibouzu]

Originally posted by Вышибатя:

Originally posted by SeaJiggle:

The canceled Nexon game P3 looks like a better version of dark and darker according to the small amount of footage that can be found. It is stupid that Nexon is shutting down an amazing game that they ABANDONED in the first place but Dark and Darker truly does look like the knock off version.

Do you know why there is so little material on P3? Because it doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ exist as any kind of ready-made project. What makes you think that P3 is better, you only have 2 screenshots and a five-second video at 10 fps. And on the other hand, you've seen the playable version of Dark and Darker. What inspires you that Nexon has a better version?

better than that, the p3 stuff looked like garbage.

[Mugurel]

Originally posted by rip lil peep:

This is bothersome. I can't believe they brazenly stole the code from the P3 game. While I enjoyed Dark and Darker, it's hard for me to excuse this kind of behavior from the devs, given they knew what they did was wrong.

Hopefully they do the right thing and squash development for this game out of respect for Nexon. Maybe then Nexon will take the reins and develop a finished P3 game that we can all enjoy free of any moral or legal dilemmas.

and its probably gonna be a p2w garbage, whats the point ?

[The Don]

Originally posted by Вышибатя:

Originally posted by SeaJiggle:

The canceled Nexon game P3 looks like a better version of dark and darker according to the small amount of footage that can be found. It is stupid that Nexon is shutting down an amazing game that they ABANDONED in the first place but Dark and Darker truly does look like the knock off version.

Do you know why there is so little material on P3? Because it doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ exist as any kind of ready-made project. What makes you think that P3 is better, you only have 2 screenshots and a five-second video at 10 fps. And on the other hand, you've seen the playable version of Dark and Darker. What inspires you that Nexon has a better version?

I agree that P3 isn't all put together like Dark and Darker and I don't think Nexon has a better version because obviously they canceled the project so it probably was ass I'm just saying out of the small amount of footage for P3 it looks like the graphics, mechanics, and play-style look like they had the potential to be better than what dark and darker has (if it wasn't canceled). I don't think dark and darker stole any code from Nexon I think they saw the potential that P3 had so they made their own instead of letting Nexon scrap it. It's all really tragic and Nexon should just let go of the copyright.

[Recker]

P3 looks like what will happen to the day before.
Secreenshots videos . But nothing exists

[Snooze]

21. In the event the employees leave Nexon, the Data Protection Agreement expressly
requires the employees to return or destroy all of the company’s trade secrets and prohibits
disclosure to a third party of the company’s business secrets acquired during the course of their employment.

Park and Choi left Nexon then 1 month later, started Dark and Darker.

The fact that any similarities exist is damning by default.

[Zev]

It was abandoned because the director of the game was fired and they lost half the developers who had been working on it for a year. Re hiring engineers and finding a new director that has a passion for that project isn't easy to to. Not to mention how much time it takes to get caught back up in understanding the code to be able to work on it effectively. It is a nightmare. Switching directors also is really risky because it tends to force a game in a different direction that might veer to far off course. You had a team that spent a long time designing and understanding how to make this game good and fun... and when that leaves a LOT of information of what works and doesnt work is lost as well. At this early in dev stages, its better to just start over or work on something new. It does sound dumb, but I have been on several projects where we would have been much better off starting over.

[(Farkon) 2m_anylootboxes]

Originally posted by Snooze:

21. In the event the employees leave Nexon, the Data Protection Agreement expressly
requires the employees to return or destroy all of the company’s trade secrets and prohibits
disclosure to a third party of the company’s business secrets acquired during the course of their employment.

Park and Choi left Nexon then 1 month later, started Dark and Darker.

The fact that any similarities exist is damning by default.

Circumstantial evidence isn't damning. The police raided them twice and took their phones and tablets, and yet here we are playing the game.

♥♥♥♥ yall are jumping the gun like the guy that shot a 16 year old through the window of his door who got the wrong house.

[Snooze]

Originally posted by 2m_anyloo̐̔͞tboxes (Farkon):

Originally posted by Snooze:

21. In the event the employees leave Nexon, the Data Protection Agreement expressly
requires the employees to return or destroy all of the company’s trade secrets and prohibits
disclosure to a third party of the company’s business secrets acquired during the course of their employment.

Park and Choi left Nexon then 1 month later, started Dark and Darker.

The fact that any similarities exist is damning by default.

Circumstantial evidence isn't damning. The police raided them twice and took their phones and tablets, and yet here we are playing the game.

♥♥♥♥ yall are jumping the gun like the guy that shot a 16 year old through the window of his door who got the wrong house.

Breach of a contract isn't circumstantial. That's literally what the DTSA(Defend Trade Secrets Act), and what the core of the lawsuit is.

[(Farkon) 2m_anylootboxes]

Originally posted by Snooze:

Originally posted by 2m_anyloo̐̔͞tboxes (Farkon):

Circumstantial evidence isn't damning. The police raided them twice and took their phones and tablets, and yet here we are playing the game.

♥♥♥♥ yall are jumping the gun like the guy that shot a 16 year old through the window of his door who got the wrong house.

Breach of a contract isn't circumstantial. That's literally what the DTSA(Defend Trade Secrets Act), and what the core of the lawsuit is.

There's still no evidence that the breach happened. That's what the raids were for and they found nothing for 6 hours.

[Snooze]

Originally posted by 2m_anyloo̐̔͞tboxes (Farkon):

Originally posted by Snooze:

Breach of a contract isn't circumstantial. That's literally what the DTSA(Defend Trade Secrets Act), and what the core of the lawsuit is.

There's still no evidence that the breach happened. That's what the raids were for and they found nothing for 6 hours.

Wh-

How is there no evidence? It's clearly labeled in the filing that there's no way Ironmace could turn out a game that similar to Project P3 without using the knowledge expressly gathered and researched by Nexon for the year that Choi and Park were active.

That's pretty damning evidence right there. And they can't prove that they didn't use anything they had memorized either, which is the crux of the situation against them. They *cannot* disprove the complaint. They cannot cast reasonable doubt.

Also, yes the police raids turn up nothing, but I feel like the changes between pt4 and pt5 are drastic enough to warrant that they saw this coming and had to scrap ♥♥♥♥- FAST, in a ditch effort to make it look like something new and different.

[LooseCipher]

What was that D&D called? No Honor Among Theives? Or was it Honor Among Theives? Who knows, but Dark and Darker is really such a mess...I can't believe the hype it's getting.

[(Farkon) 2m_anylootboxes]

Originally posted by Snooze:

Originally posted by 2m_anyloo̐̔͞tboxes (Farkon):

There's still no evidence that the breach happened. That's what the raids were for and they found nothing for 6 hours.

Wh-

How is there no evidence? It's clearly labeled in the filing that there's no way Ironmace could turn out a game that similar to Project P3 without using the knowledge expressly gathered and researched by Nexon for the year that Choi and Park were active.

That's pretty damning evidence right there. And they can't prove that they didn't use anything they had memorized either, which is the crux of the situation against them. They *cannot* disprove the complaint. They cannot cast reasonable doubt.

Also, yes the police raids turn up nothing, but I feel like the changes between pt4 and pt5 are drastic enough to warrant that they saw this coming and had to scrap ♥♥♥♥- FAST, in a ditch effort to make it look like something new and different.

Count how many 3D medieval games with dungeons there are out there.
Maybe Bethesda should sue Ironmace too for making a game that seems like Skyrim.

You can feel all you want, but it's the hard evidence that matters, gathered by professionals.
Which they have none.