Rangers are a huge problem

[JustNova]

i feel like the more you play the more you realize that rangers are just broken, they do way to much damage, have way to much utility, still a faster than avg class, traps, one shot potential. 60+ Damage crossbows that can one shot anyone but barb and fighter, get a little extra damage from gear or a better crossbow and you can one shot tanks. long bow triple shot can kill almost every class, they can back pedal while never letting up on the attack. they have a better self heal than the fighter. they spawn with 3 traps. like how is this okay? is it cause the survival bow is bad?

Wizard has gotten the most nerfs and good ones too but how can you even act that they need it when there biggest counter is a ranger. you can two shot a wizard with the starting bow or kill them in 1 quick shot cast. Wizards have 75 base health and have to rest after most fights even with mobs to get spell casts. Ranger, hur dur got meh bread and meh 90 health. how can you even try and justify rations being better than second wind?

its to the point i dont see what they can do to nerf the class without just reworking it.
maybe actually give them limited ammo? nerf rations? give them 75 hp and give them a perk that lessens their damage with bows but gives more hp (back to 90) and they get a slight buff to melee damage? make the movement penalty more while shooting so you cant just back peddal while doing just as much as a barb with quick shot longbow? nerf bows overall?

i dont like nerfs, but i really dont see how to change the class in a way that would still keep it as a fun class without major changes to it.

[JustNova]

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Escrito originalmente por Mr Softy Beard:

Or the ranger switches to a spear and is more than capable of dueling in close range after he hits you with triple shot to the face? All the while you chase him down, cant go forward because of a trap in the way, and flee to another entrance, trap is in the way, and leave lol

Who exactly is getting hit with a "triple shot to the face"? A Barbarian? Because at that point they're in range to one tap the Ranger. A Fighter? Then they deserve to die.

An argument can be made for the spear being too strong on Ranger, but I've personally never seen it abused. But the OP is a clown who just doesn't adapt and then starts screeching he got killed by a better player.

I play fighting games competivily, the game genre all about adapting.
Even got a compitive history is mobas and rts's. And by your comment literally 99% of people whom will read that will understand that anything you say on dnd should not be taken seriously.
You know you can quick shot people across the room or do you really think I'm talking and the shotgun bladt XD

[JustNova]

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[Tactical Banana]

Lots of sweaty posts in the discussion thread lol

[Hells Malice]

I've died countless deaths and only once was to a ranger I foolishly chased into a trap nest. Literally never again. They're by far one of the worst classes if they're caught out. You basically can do nothing without a melee switch and by the time you do you're probably already looking at the floor.

They're basically good for surprising people already fighting monsters, and I assume PvE though i've never played one.

Every class is good at something and i'd say they all have weak classes. I play a rogue so that's probably why I laugh at rangers handing me free loot when I see one. The ability to effortlessly engage a ranger without threat makes them free kills.

Your reasons for them being OP all require gear and assuming equally geared players, i'd probably kill a ranger in the blink of an eye with a blue stiletto out of stealth. With no counter play except to try and run to your nest.

[IEATFETI]

Escrito originalmente por Imperial Guardsman:

You forget that you can store loaded crossbows in your inventory, and take them out to shoot.

what i havent seen people talking about is that as a ranger you can use any or you arrow skill to reload all your arrows instead R

[UncleIstvan]

Ranger and Barbarian are prime candidates for rebalancing.

[Tboned]

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Escrito originalmente por Moogle:

wiz op too so maybe just make everyone op ez fix

Wizard is very strong, however they are at least more difficult to use, also a wizards biggest counter is a ranger. Rangers damage comes out faster, wizard has less hp, ad ranger can 1 shot a wizard while a wizard can't one-shot a ranger without like a bonus 10 magic damage, and they have to hit a fireball headshot. Do you see the problem?

Ranger has the highest "skill" cap in the game. So it would make sense that they could do a lot of dmg IF, and that's a big IF, you get a headshot or can bait someone to a trap and then get a headshot. Eitherway, you better hit a headshot. I have mained ranger for the past two play tests and they actually seem kind of under-geared compared to the rest of the classes, except my poor cleric, since last play test.

I have to store my equipment just to TRY and outrun a barb or a wizard and even then one wrong move and RIP.

[Tboned]

Escrito originalmente por UncleIstvan:

Ranger and Barbarian are prime candidates for rebalancing.

Wholey disagree about rangers, what needs rebalanced imo is cleric and barb. Cleric has a serious identify crisis - is it a paladin? is it a healer? Barbs can go shirtless, no armor, and one shot you almost.

[TeaLeaf]

Each class has something its good at an excels at. A role in which they are strong. Rangers are a strong solo class, the range helps a lot as does the free traps they get, but I wouldn't say they are completely out of line. A fighter in comparison is an all rounder, pretty good in most situations but is not the king of any thing. Rangers are good at tracking and ranged sustained damage and ok close up. Rouges are the quite sneaky class. Wizards are the glass cannons with huge utility at the price of being fragile, clerks are the support class. Barbs are the high dmg melle option. Not all classes excel at every thing but each tend to excel in their area of use. Some are better at solo then others, some are better filling out a team's roster.

[Dr.Akula]

agree that rangers are too op, solo boss kills, solo elites kills without losing any hp, too fast movement, interaction, I need to spend at least 30 sec to heal half of hp on barbarian after fight, ranger does it x2 faster, of course most classes are stronger than ranger with a bow in a closed room, but how many times ranger allows you to get him in corner (just drink blu potion and run through you). ranger is op. When I have 47dmg on barbarian with a slow 2sec/hit weapon and have to come as close as I can, and ranger has 41 dmg bow with triple shot , that's pretty stupid

[JustNova]

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Escrito originalmente por JustNova:

Wizard is very strong, however they are at least more difficult to use, also a wizards biggest counter is a ranger. Rangers damage comes out faster, wizard has less hp, ad ranger can 1 shot a wizard while a wizard can't one-shot a ranger without like a bonus 10 magic damage, and they have to hit a fireball headshot. Do you see the problem?

Ranger has the highest "skill" cap in the game. So it would make sense that they could do a lot of dmg IF, and that's a big IF, you get a headshot or can bait someone to a trap and then get a headshot. Eitherway, you better hit a headshot. I have mained ranger for the past two play tests and they actually seem kind of under-geared compared to the rest of the classes, except my poor cleric, since last play test.

I have to store my equipment just to TRY and outrun a barb or a wizard and even then one wrong move and RIP.

Wizard is the highest skill cap character by far, i would even say ranger is one of the easiest. its aiming, just aiming. Wizard has harder to hit aiming with slower moving projectiles, less hp, and is based around being able to mix and place spells properly.

[JustNova]

Escrito originalmente por TeaLeaf:

Each class has something its good at an excels at. A role in which they are strong. Rangers are a strong solo class, the range helps a lot as does the free traps they get, but I wouldn't say they are completely out of line. A fighter in comparison is an all rounder, pretty good in most situations but is not the king of any thing. Rangers are good at tracking and ranged sustained damage and ok close up. Rouges are the quite sneaky class. Wizards are the glass cannons with huge utility at the price of being fragile, clerks are the support class. Barbs are the high dmg melle option. Not all classes excel at every thing but each tend to excel in their area of use. Some are better at solo then others, some are better filling out a team's roster.

yeah i understand the pros and cons of the classes, expect the ranger is not balanced thats my point. Rangers have to much damage, too much utility, too much survivalbility. again i ask why does the RANGER HAVE A BETTER HEAL THAN FIGHTER??? when fighting a ranger you depend on him missing to actually be able to when the fight, thats insane.

[donut32]

ranger def busted, easily top if not 2nd most busted (fighter being #1) by a massive margin. the different between the classes is shockingly awful. another point alluding to the fact that not only does the game sux, the devs do too.

this game will be the biggest flop on "release"

[JustNova]

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Escrito originalmente por UncleIstvan:

Ranger and Barbarian are prime candidates for rebalancing.

Wholey disagree about rangers, what needs rebalanced imo is cleric and barb. Cleric has a serious identify crisis - is it a paladin? is it a healer? Barbs can go shirtless, no armor, and one shot you almost.

Rangers can 1 shot you, rangers can kill any class besides maybe a fighter with a single quick shot with 3 headshots. clerics are fine, theyre a support class and being the only one is what makes them good. barbs are fine, they have one shot potential but they have to be close thats the trade off. Ranger just can 1 shot, has a self heal, can use melee weapons, can trap, etc.

[ZooL]

If a single ranger "one shots you" (landing all 3 shots of the quick shot is not one shotting actually), you kinda deserve it. the only problem with ranger is if you triple stack em. having three rangers focus fire on one target is way too much ranged burst. Simple solution: only allow each class once per party. would also kill some other meta combos.