Fighters should not be able to use crossbows

[Drogash]

Crossbows should be a Ranger Only weapon,

Its sooo dumb how Fighters can use crossbows also

[NPC_LUKE]

Cyberbully eredeti hozzászólása:

NPC_LUKE eredeti hozzászólása:

Wizard can already use crossbow. What I think is a travesty is Rogue being unable to dual wield hand crossbows. They should be able to.

All rogues need is the ability to stealthily ignore mobs and move exclusively to gank other players without hindrance. Not joking.

The 10 steps max in hide prevents this in anything with 2-3 mobs chained one after another and patrols etc.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Rogue hiding needs to be reworked. What I do disagree with is Rogues being able to disappear entirely. They're really good at hiding ALMOST to the point of invisibility but not ever truly achieving it, without the use of a spell.

At most, their stealth should look similar to "optic camouflage" still pretty damn hard to detect in this Dark game.

Edit: The one class that should be able to easily ignore PvE though. Hands down should be the Rogue. Stealth just needs a rework.

[Oddball]

NPC_LUKE eredeti hozzászólása:

Cyberbully eredeti hozzászólása:

All rogues need is the ability to stealthily ignore mobs and move exclusively to gank other players without hindrance. Not joking.

The 10 steps max in hide prevents this in anything with 2-3 mobs chained one after another and patrols etc.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Rogue hiding needs to be reworked. What I do disagree with is Rogues being able to disappear entirely. They're really good at hiding ALMOST to the point of invisibility but not ever truly achieving it, without the use of a spell.

At most, their stealth should look similar to "optic camouflage" still pretty damn hard to detect in this Dark game.

Edit: The one class that should be able to easily ignore PvE though. Hands down should be the Rogue. Stealth just needs a rework.

Off topic.

(but back to NPC's comment... though I understand it's a thing in DnD etc for dual wielding hand crossbow, the concept is absurd. Hand held crossbows are not pistol 6-shooters. How do you even reload with both hands holding a crossbow?

Hand held crossbows should be 2-handed like all other bows, but with lower damage and shorter range, but higher fire rate as their much easier to load (less draw) and shoot)

[NPC_LUKE]

Oddball eredeti hozzászólása:

NPC_LUKE eredeti hozzászólása:

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Rogue hiding needs to be reworked. What I do disagree with is Rogues being able to disappear entirely. They're really good at hiding ALMOST to the point of invisibility but not ever truly achieving it, without the use of a spell.

At most, their stealth should look similar to "optic camouflage" still pretty damn hard to detect in this Dark game.

Edit: The one class that should be able to easily ignore PvE though. Hands down should be the Rogue. Stealth just needs a rework.

Off topic.

(but back to NPC's comment... though I understand it's a thing in DnD etc for dual wielding hand crossbow, the concept is absurd. Hand held crossbows are not pistol 6-shooters. How do you even reload with both hands holding a crossbow?

Hand held crossbows should be 2-handed like all other bows, but with lower damage and shorter range, but higher fire rate as their much easier to load (less draw) and shoot)

I'm pretty sure they are indeed on the relatively weak side. Although, magical bolts and poison coatings make up for that.

Edit: I suppose you are right though. Doubling the rate of projectiles they can fire at you might become OP.

[haxo]

don't crossbows suck in general?

[NPC_LUKE]

haxo eredeti hozzászólása:

don't crossbows suck in general?

I don't use them, but my full plate wearing brother uses them as an opener/closer with mild success. Someone more skilled with accuracy would be real trouble.

[Necrosexual]

I have never died to a crossbow fighter. Wtf. I'm gonna grab one and kill some people and maybe I will annoy them I guess?

[Aldain]

Necrosexual eredeti hozzászólása:

I have never died to a crossbow fighter. Wtf. I'm gonna grab one and kill some people and maybe I will annoy them I guess?

Crossbows on Fighter in my experience are more an engage/finisher tool, or a good utility for breaking spider jars.

[AbD]

Randomthug eredeti hozzászólása:

Anger_By_Design eredeti hozzászólása:

realy? we're complaning about fighter and a crossbow? thing is so slow to reload, whats the deal? you can't dodge a bolt then close the gap or counter fire?

Was trying it out the other day, saw a druid across the way in a big open space.

Just whiff like six times in a row, they were clearing the room. I just kept missing, couldn't tell if the distance was off the height needed. Nothing, was doing horrible.

They come over and kinda slyly comment on how "you were helping me there huh, shooting at the other guys" and I just said "yeah man, just not the best at it." and I could tell in their voice they knew. Coulda just smacked me but actually started handing over high dex gear/bottles to throw etc.

I'm getting better with it, some of the PvE I couldn't do I can now cheap my way through (berserker now dead, full of bolts).

it shoots low, you got to aim a bit high w/ the x-bow from what I learned. but I learned a back up spear works better for my play style

[Dracoco OwO]

haxo eredeti hozzászólása:

don't crossbows suck in general?

Hand Crossbow sure as hell suck because they don't really pack a punch unless you use ambush and rupture on Rogue but Windlass absolutely destroy peoples.

[Oddball]

Necrosexual eredeti hozzászólása:

I have never died to a crossbow fighter. Wtf. I'm gonna grab one and kill some people and maybe I will annoy them I guess?

I killed a guy only w/ xBow after he barged into my room, agro'd the mobs, and was distracted from a bunch of goblins chasing him. So I calmly shot, reload, shot etc... dead. Otherwise I am enjoying spear/xBow more than sword/shield and a backup 2-hander melee.

But the post I made that resurrected this thread above was specifically about that Windlass Crossbows should be Fighter only (not Ranger).

[Oddball]

haxo eredeti hozzászólása:

don't crossbows suck in general?

Historically speaking on in TT or this game?

The trade off is generally that the stronger xBows have higher penetration than bows, and there should be a strength min to use bows, where the stronger xBows have a draw-back mechanism (lever arm, foot stirrup, windlass crank etc) to make reloading easier, so less strength is needed. But nobody pays attention in TT that a weak Ranger can draw back a powerful longbow (that historically could of had upwards of a 80+ pound draw!) and still fire it multiple times a round, which is a foul. Longbows should have strength requirement to get the most out of the bow, otherwise you can only partial draw the bow for reduced damage. The stronger crossbows though get max draw/damage for less strength required, usually higher penetration, long range. but much slower fire rate.

EDIT: the other trade-off is it took less time to fully train a crossbowman than it did an archer. So the time to master for xBow would be, let's say, 1/3 the time of an archer.

[haxo]

didn't realize x-bow was a decent weapon, thanks for the info guys