REMOVE PBG FORTNITE BORDER CIRCLE

[HofVanStrudel]

i want to explore dungeon crawler and embrace the world as a dungeon terrorist. this brakes the game pls remove developers

[Kotodama]

How do you have extraction campers around portals when the portal spawning is random? Do they have some program that tells them where it will spawn?

If a blue portal spawns on the other side of a circle, the player wouldnt know. Because:
1) They cant see the portal
2) They cant hear the portal

So that portal is basically non-existent to that player and therefore any possible campers there are irrelevant.

There is no such thing as a "center of map" camper, because the circle is random.
hunting players that are escaping the circle storm is NOT camping. why?
BECAUSE YOU ARE MOVING. You are circling (Meaning you are in motion and not staying in a single location) the ring of the circle to pick off anyone who was too dumb to notice the circle closing or who is too busy being a loot goblin and tried to be greedy.

You are not going to find ANYONE by entering a circle and then staying there because the circle area that you entered you've already cleared. They arent going to go through the area you cleared because the zone is CIRCULAR and they need to enter the circle via the closest method, which is a straight line in a particular direction. And since when you spawn, you spawn perpendicular to other players that means that you will NOT encounter someone running into the circle behind you unless you were the ones running away from them in the first place. Meaning that you would not be camping.

This isnt rocket science.

There is time matches and there is times portals. The portals are timed because of the circle :D so they do have both.

You can backtrack through the circle to go into another room but you are going to take damage. Simple as that.

We do not want to allow players to infinitely run away. You apparently dont know anything about classes if you think removing the circle wouldn't increase the amount of Rogues, Mages, and Rangers in the game that will outrun other classes because of their base movement speeds, Haste Buffs, Invisibility, etc.

[nowhere man]

Originally posted by Kotodama:

How do you have extraction campers around portals when the portal spawning is random? Do they have some program that tells them where it will spawn?

If a blue portal spawns on the other side of a circle, the player wouldnt know. Because:
1) They cant see the portal
2) They cant hear the portal

So that portal is basically non-existent to that player and therefore any possible campers there are irrelevant.

There is no such thing as a "center of map" camper, because the circle is random.
hunting players that are escaping the circle storm is NOT camping. why?
BECAUSE YOU ARE MOVING. You are circling (Meaning you are in motion and not staying in a single location) the ring of the circle to pick off anyone who was too dumb to notice the circle closing or who is too busy being a loot goblin and tried to be greedy.

You are not going to find ANYONE by entering a circle and then staying there because the circle area that you entered you've already cleared. They arent going to go through the area you cleared because the zone is CIRCULAR and they need to enter the circle via the closest method, which is a straight line in a particular direction. And since when you spawn, you spawn perpendicular to other players that means that you will NOT encounter someone running into the circle behind you unless you were the ones running away from them in the first place. Meaning that you would not be camping.

This isnt rocket science.

There is time matches and there is times portals. The portals are timed because of the circle :D so they do have both.

You can backtrack through the circle to go into another room but you are going to take damage. Simple as that.

We do not want to allow players to infinitely run away. You apparently dont know anything about classes if you think removing the circle wouldn't increase the amount of Rogues, Mages, and Rangers in the game that will outrun other classes because of their base movement speeds, Haste Buffs, Invisibility, etc.

"We" who? You may speak for yourself. A lot of people disagree with the circle mechanics. A handful of players still can´t understand that the community is divided about the circle stuff.

You offered only your personal opinions and obvious "solutions" gameplay wise in how to deal with the circle, since it is in game.

You seem not to understand that you can´t kill camping with this circle because groups will be campin the middle , where a ton of portals do spawn and will farm solos who dare to go there. To me, that's C- gameplay.

There is a ton of ways of dealing away with the forced arena nonsense and prevent people from overcamping.

[Wally]

the circle is stupid, let mobs hunt you instead

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by nowhere man:

Originally posted by Lowbei:

the game wont be changing just because bad players died.

Oh but it will change a lot based on community feedback. Does Solo Mode rings any bell? The game is not what you want it to be but first, what the devs idealize, and then there's the community feedback as a whole.

no, the pvp community asked for another pvp mode for solos, and the devs provided, because this is a pvp game, as the official store tags state clearly.

there will be no pve modes, and the circle is here to stay, regardless of peoples salt.

[nowhere man]

Originally posted by Lowbei:

Originally posted by nowhere man:

Oh but it will change a lot based on community feedback. Does Solo Mode rings any bell? The game is not what you want it to be but first, what the devs idealize, and then there's the community feedback as a whole.

no, the pvp community asked for another pvp mode for solos, and the devs provided, because this is a pvp game, as the official store tags state clearly.

there will be no pve modes, and the circle is here to stay, regardless of peoples salt.

They said once that there was no intention to implement any solo queues. That's what my point is. If the pvp community asked for another pvp mode for solos, that's also my point. And that's why people, like you and other hostiles over here, should stop trying to speak in absolutes. They could well change this based on a lot of factors. It might not be a done deal.
So you're being kind of delusional by repeating the same nonsense like people did a while back like "there will never be a solo queue, deal with it".

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by nowhere man:

Originally posted by Lowbei:

no, the pvp community asked for another pvp mode for solos, and the devs provided, because this is a pvp game, as the official store tags state clearly.

there will be no pve modes, and the circle is here to stay, regardless of peoples salt.

They said once that there was no intention to implement any solo queues. That's what my point is. If the pvp community asked for another pvp mode for solos, that's also my point. And that's why people, like you and other hostiles over here, should stop trying to speak in absolutes. They could well change this based on a lot of factors. It might not be a done deal.
So you're being kind of delusional by repeating the same nonsense like people did a while back like "there will never be a solo queue, deal with it".

i dont remember seeing anyone say that, and its a pvp game so a solo que is understandable, and the devs stated that it was something they were looking at a month ago.

the difference here is that when asked the same question about pve and the circle, they said it wasnt even something they have considered. aka its out of the question.

adding pvp modes is fine and welcome.

[Kotodama]

Originally posted by nowhere man:

Originally posted by Kotodama:

How do you have extraction campers around portals when the portal spawning is random? Do they have some program that tells them where it will spawn?

If a blue portal spawns on the other side of a circle, the player wouldnt know. Because:
1) They cant see the portal
2) They cant hear the portal

So that portal is basically non-existent to that player and therefore any possible campers there are irrelevant.

There is no such thing as a "center of map" camper, because the circle is random.
hunting players that are escaping the circle storm is NOT camping. why?
BECAUSE YOU ARE MOVING. You are circling (Meaning you are in motion and not staying in a single location) the ring of the circle to pick off anyone who was too dumb to notice the circle closing or who is too busy being a loot goblin and tried to be greedy.

You are not going to find ANYONE by entering a circle and then staying there because the circle area that you entered you've already cleared. They arent going to go through the area you cleared because the zone is CIRCULAR and they need to enter the circle via the closest method, which is a straight line in a particular direction. And since when you spawn, you spawn perpendicular to other players that means that you will NOT encounter someone running into the circle behind you unless you were the ones running away from them in the first place. Meaning that you would not be camping.

This isnt rocket science.

There is time matches and there is times portals. The portals are timed because of the circle :D so they do have both.

You can backtrack through the circle to go into another room but you are going to take damage. Simple as that.

We do not want to allow players to infinitely run away. You apparently dont know anything about classes if you think removing the circle wouldn't increase the amount of Rogues, Mages, and Rangers in the game that will outrun other classes because of their base movement speeds, Haste Buffs, Invisibility, etc.

"We" who? You may speak for yourself. A lot of people disagree with the circle mechanics. A handful of players still can´t understand that the community is divided about the circle stuff.

You offered only your personal opinions and obvious "solutions" gameplay wise in how to deal with the circle, since it is in game.

You seem not to understand that you can´t kill camping with this circle because groups will be campin the middle , where a ton of portals do spawn and will farm solos who dare to go there. To me, that's C- gameplay.

There is a ton of ways of dealing away with the forced arena nonsense and prevent people from overcamping.

Not "a lot of people" it is literally the tiniest, whiniest minority of players complaining about the circle. (when its literally been a part of the game since day 1).

I'm convinced you havent played the game because 1 "players will farm solos" -> There is a Solo Mode and there you would only 1v1 someone. And if you play Solo in Multi-Qeue that is YOUR fault and you are going in with the expectation of fighting multiple players.

No you cannot camp center circle because the circle moves. The spawns for portals are random and you have teammates. Meaning you camping that portal removes the ability for your teammates to escape. You are risking YOUR AND YOUR TEAMS ability to escape on the OFF CHANCE that someone tries to go for that same random portal.

You clearly havent played the game or gotten far enough to understand how the circle and portals function.

[nowhere man]

Originally posted by Kotodama:

Originally posted by nowhere man:

"We" who? You may speak for yourself. A lot of people disagree with the circle mechanics. A handful of players still can´t understand that the community is divided about the circle stuff.

You offered only your personal opinions and obvious "solutions" gameplay wise in how to deal with the circle, since it is in game.

You seem not to understand that you can´t kill camping with this circle because groups will be campin the middle , where a ton of portals do spawn and will farm solos who dare to go there. To me, that's C- gameplay.

There is a ton of ways of dealing away with the forced arena nonsense and prevent people from overcamping.

Not "a lot of people" it is literally the tiniest, whiniest minority of players complaining about the circle. (when its literally been a part of the game since day 1).

I'm convinced you havent played the game because 1 "players will farm solos" -> There is a Solo Mode and there you would only 1v1 someone. And if you play Solo in Multi-Qeue that is YOUR fault and you are going in with the expectation of fighting multiple players.

No you cannot camp center circle because the circle moves. The spawns for portals are random and you have teammates. Meaning you camping that portal removes the ability for your teammates to escape. You are risking YOUR AND YOUR TEAMS ability to escape on the OFF CHANCE that someone tries to go for that same random portal.

You clearly havent played the game or gotten far enough to understand how the circle and portals function.

I myself got to the center once, and there was like 3 portals that I saw. Guess what? died to a camping group.

Didnt i also watch a lot of streams last night of groups camping the center with like 4 portals around the place and ganking whoever got to that?

They can wait until the small circle gets its last iteration, often times, and this to me is a disgrace of a mechanic.

Not talking about the one portal that can randomly spawn elsewhere, but the final room with lots of them around.

At this point i think you're just running around in circles and pretending or are unaware that this is just your opinion. You like the circle? Good for you. Lots of people don´t. If you think this is a done deal and they will never remove, rejoice instead of using weak arguments for persuading people to change their mind that always end with "you dont know the game therefore cant issue an opinion bla bla bla".

[Terminal Velocity]

Originally posted by nowhere man:

Originally posted by Kotodama:

Not "a lot of people" it is literally the tiniest, whiniest minority of players complaining about the circle. (when its literally been a part of the game since day 1).

I'm convinced you havent played the game because 1 "players will farm solos" -> There is a Solo Mode and there you would only 1v1 someone. And if you play Solo in Multi-Qeue that is YOUR fault and you are going in with the expectation of fighting multiple players.

No you cannot camp center circle because the circle moves. The spawns for portals are random and you have teammates. Meaning you camping that portal removes the ability for your teammates to escape. You are risking YOUR AND YOUR TEAMS ability to escape on the OFF CHANCE that someone tries to go for that same random portal.

You clearly havent played the game or gotten far enough to understand how the circle and portals function.

I myself got to the center once, and there was like 3 portals that I saw. Guess what? died to a camping group.

Didnt i also watch a lot of streams last night of groups camping the center with like 4 portals around the place and ganking whoever got to that?

They can wait until the small circle gets its last iteration, often times, and this to me is a disgrace of a mechanic.

Not talking about the one portal that can randomly spawn elsewhere, but the final room with lots of them around.

At this point i think you're just running around in circles and pretending or are unaware that this is just your opinion. You like the circle? Good for you. Lots of people don´t. If you think this is a done deal and they will never remove, rejoice instead of using weak arguments for persuading people to change their mind that always end with "you dont know the game therefore cant issue an opinion bla bla bla".

I would completely ignore this guy, he's got no clue about what he's talking about. You can clearly tell when he claims camping is despised in every FPS game and completely disregard subgenres such as milsim, tactical shooters, extraction looters, etc., where the mechanic is clearly part of the genre and everyone accepts it (except the random fornite / cod kid who stumble upon the genre and find out "camping" is ok, so they mald and end up leaving in frustration).

So he's really ignorant, has a narrow-minded point of view, and is stuck in the absolutist discourse from the more arcadey fps genres in which camping is frowned upon. We've clearly explained how this silly circle mechanic won't even fix camping because it's not fixable, and now is giving lame excuses as to why it will, trying to save face.

Absolutely embarrassing - but quite hilarious to read.

[nowhere man]

Originally posted by Terminal Velocity:

Originally posted by nowhere man:

I myself got to the center once, and there was like 3 portals that I saw. Guess what? died to a camping group.

Didnt i also watch a lot of streams last night of groups camping the center with like 4 portals around the place and ganking whoever got to that?

They can wait until the small circle gets its last iteration, often times, and this to me is a disgrace of a mechanic.

Not talking about the one portal that can randomly spawn elsewhere, but the final room with lots of them around.

At this point i think you're just running around in circles and pretending or are unaware that this is just your opinion. You like the circle? Good for you. Lots of people don´t. If you think this is a done deal and they will never remove, rejoice instead of using weak arguments for persuading people to change their mind that always end with "you dont know the game therefore cant issue an opinion bla bla bla".

I would completely ignore this guy, he's got no clue about what he's talking about. You can clearly tell when he claims camping is despised in every FPS game and completely disregard subgenres such as milsim, tactical shooters, extraction looters, etc., where the mechanic is clearly part of the genre and everyone accepts it (except the random fornite / cod kid who stumble upon the genre and find out "camping" is ok, so they mald and end up leaving in frustration).

So he's really ignorant, has a narrow-minded point of view, and is stuck in the absolutist discourse from the more arcadey fps genres in which camping is frown upon. We've clearly explained how this silly circle mechanic won't even fix camping because it's not fixable, and now is giving lame excuses as to why it will, trying to save face.

Absolutely embarrassing - but quite hilarious to read.

Sorry i responded to you instead of the other guy, my apologies, he's indeed beyond salvation, and i'm not gonna even read what he posts anymore.

[nowhere man]

The more I play the more I realize this circle indeed needs to go. I hope they get rid of it, it's just not fun nor it constitutes in any measure against camping/ratting.

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by nowhere man:

The more I play the more I realize this circle indeed needs to go. I hope they get rid of it, it's just not fun nor it constitutes in any measure against camping/ratting.

the circle isnt going anywhere, so if thats a deal breaker for you, theres the door.

[nowhere man]

Originally posted by Lowbei:

Originally posted by nowhere man:

The more I play the more I realize this circle indeed needs to go. I hope they get rid of it, it's just not fun nor it constitutes in any measure against camping/ratting.

the circle isnt going anywhere, so if thats a deal breaker for you, theres the door.

"they will never add solo queue, so if that's a deal breaker for you, there's the door."

The above was said by your pathetic type hundreds of times a while ago too. Just proves how much of a joke your kind is.

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by nowhere man:

Originally posted by Lowbei:

the circle isnt going anywhere, so if thats a deal breaker for you, theres the door.

"they will never add solo queue, so if that's a deal breaker for you, there's the door."

The above was said by your pathetic type hundreds of times a while ago too. Just proves how much of a joke your kind is.

I never said anything about solo que, and am perfectly fine with it, as were the devs when they said they were looking into it back in december.

On the other hand, they said they have no interest in PVE at all.

Youre welcome to keep being salty and calling people "pathetic" while you stick around on a forum of a game you dont like begging for the devs to change it for you. Theres a word for that, but I dont want to offend :)

[nowhere man]

Originally posted by Lowbei:

Originally posted by nowhere man:

"they will never add solo queue, so if that's a deal breaker for you, there's the door."

The above was said by your pathetic type hundreds of times a while ago too. Just proves how much of a joke your kind is.

I never said anything about solo que, and am perfectly fine with it, as were the devs when they said they were looking into it back in december.

On the other hand, they said they have no interest in PVE at all.

Youre welcome to keep being salty and calling people "pathetic" while you stick around on a forum of a game you dont like begging for the devs to change it for you. Theres a word for that, but I dont want to offend :)

Even if you did not, it is the mentality of the toxic kind you belong. Your type is intolerant and unwelcoming, warring against anyone speaking against anything you cope with. Couple that with speaking in absolutes, like you are the developer of the game or is inside their minds, knowing perfectly what the game will and never will become,, and you are indeed crossing the stupidity lane.

You should drop it, really, and accept that a ton of people dislike this obvious design blunder from an otherwise good and promising game. Ff the developers choose to listen to the community, then the jury is out for whether this nonsense circle thing will stay or not, like the solo queue debate from the past. Let's wait and see. Just don´t be childish, please.