Why do people want a pve only mode? (fair discussion, keep it nice)

[Dregora]

Don't get me wrong, I am not some pvp lover. I generally enjoy pve games more. But a pve game has to be built for that. This game, for what it is currently. is not a good pve game at all.

The pve aspect is fluff, to give some danger and to have you do something. When you just start out or are new to the game, they're scary and strong. Then you learn the game and/or get better gear and they aren't as strong anymore. They're just a small obstacle at that point. Then what else is left?

For it to be a pve game, they'd have to change a fair amount of things to even make it a fun pve game. As it stands, it is not a fun pve game. Most people saying it's a fun pve game probably just started out and are still in the early stages where everything is hard and scary. But that wears off. And then what?

This isn't some diablo type of game. I saw some people wanting that, but you're asking for a whole different game. I often feel like people do not even quite understand what they're asking for or the possible consequences would they listen to that request.

If they take the game as it is and get rid of the pvp, even if it's a seperate mode and it's just pve.. you'll get bored real fast. And not only that, are we gonna allow pve servers and pvp servers to mix gear? Can you just farm pve to get good gear then dunk on new players in pvp? Or do we keep it completely seperate? If so how is that gonna look? How do you balance the gear/maps for both modes that work quite different?

Maybe down the line, after release, they have time to make a pve only mode specifically designed for it, but as it stands right now? It'd be dumb to do.

[Legendairy2]

Nguyên văn bởi Zytx:

Nguyên văn bởi Dollop of Mayo:

If the game purports to be PvPvE then it's got to pay equal attention to both sides.

I do not know where you got the idea that it has to pay equal attention to both sides. It can be pve with light pvp, it can be pvp with light pve or anywhere in between those two. It can neglect either of those two for the sake of the other

Not to mention PvPvE does not mean there is a PvP mode and PvE mode. It quite literally means while you play their game, you will be exposed to both PvP AND PvE at the same time. If you cant handle that, go away

[Jeck]

Pve as an option would be nice for a few reasons:

1) Practice - Now you have a mode where you can practice fighting the mobs, navigating the map, learn all the items and abilities, etc.

2) Casual - Some people just like the simple challenge of trying to survive and go deeper.

Now having said that, pve loot shouldn't transfer over to pvp environments. Keep the pvp environment competitive but don't discourage casual players from also playing the game.

[Legendairy2]

Nguyên văn bởi Jeck:

Now having said that, pve loot shouldn't transfer over to pvp environments. Keep the pvp environment competitive but don't discourage casual players from also playing the game.

Exactly what I have been saying. If ppl insist on a PvE mode, those characters need to be black labeled as PvE and have no opportunity to EVER queue into normal mode

[sillydestroyer]

Nguyên văn bởi Slayer Slayerson:

Cuz it's garbage joining a game without gear and everyone else is groups of 3, fully decked out just Asterix'ing with potion through newbies?

Nguyên văn bởi Bittersweet:

Cause getting killed AND having your precious gear/loot taken from you is an intensely intimidating experience for many people.

its supposed to be that way. like the game is literally made to be punishing

[sillydestroyer]

Nguyên văn bởi Legendairy2:

Nguyên văn bởi Jeck:

Now having said that, pve loot shouldn't transfer over to pvp environments. Keep the pvp environment competitive but don't discourage casual players from also playing the game.

Exactly what I have been saying. If ppl insist on a PvE mode, those characters need to be black labeled as PvE and have no opportunity to EVER queue into normal mode

and at that point just play any other pve game.
ask another developer to make you a pve game.
why would the devs split time making pvp-pve only game modes when they could work on perfecting the pvpve.
if you just want pve they have other games for you.

[Shar]

Honestly just do solo team lobby. A Team of 3 for the entire map. Boom, you have PVE. PVP just feels like a troll fest. At least give us proximity chat where we could have some interesting exchanges: "Hey, if you don't attack us, we can take both portals and get out of here" Whole level of cooperation or betrayal. Or convincing game kind of like among us. Be a cool spin if you decide to play that way.

[Legendairy2]

Nguyên văn bởi u wut m8:

Nguyên văn bởi Legendairy2:

Exactly what I have been saying. If ppl insist on a PvE mode, those characters need to be black labeled as PvE and have no opportunity to EVER queue into normal mode

and at that point just play any other pve game.
ask another developer to make you a pve game.
why would the devs split time making pvp-pve only game modes when they could work on perfecting the pvpve.
if you just want pve they have other games for you.

no clue why you are tagging my post

[Legendairy2]

Nguyên văn bởi Mega:

Honestly just do solo team lobby. A Team of 3 for the entire map. Boom, you have PVE. PVP just feels like a troll fest. At least give us proximity chat where we could have some interesting exchanges: "Hey, if you don't attack us, we can take both portals and get out of here" Whole level of cooperation or betrayal. Or convincing game kind of like among us. Be a cool spin if you decide to play that way.

VOIP is on the way but they are going to be monitoring it to see how much toxicity it brings, the answer to that is obvious, a lot of toxicity. Sadly there will be more ppl abusing it than using it for the intended purpose. You will have ragers, screamers, racial slurs, some tool blasting their crap rap music into their mic. Nothing good will come from VOIP in this game unless it is party only and they add a group finder

[sillydestroyer]

Nguyên văn bởi Legendairy2:

Nguyên văn bởi u wut m8:

and at that point just play any other pve game.
ask another developer to make you a pve game.
why would the devs split time making pvp-pve only game modes when they could work on perfecting the pvpve.
if you just want pve they have other games for you.

no clue why you are tagging my post

it wasn't to you specifically i was just ranting

[Shar]

Nguyên văn bởi Legendairy2:

Nguyên văn bởi Mega:

Honestly just do solo team lobby. A Team of 3 for the entire map. Boom, you have PVE. PVP just feels like a troll fest. At least give us proximity chat where we could have some interesting exchanges: "Hey, if you don't attack us, we can take both portals and get out of here" Whole level of cooperation or betrayal. Or convincing game kind of like among us. Be a cool spin if you decide to play that way.

VOIP is on the way but they are going to be monitoring it to see how much toxicity it brings, the answer to that is obvious, a lot of toxicity. Sadly there will be more ppl abusing it than using it for the intended purpose. You will have ragers, screamers, racial slurs, some tool blasting their crap rap music into their mic. Nothing good will come from VOIP in this game unless it is party only and they add a group finder

There will hopefully be a mute button. Its really easy to use headphones/earbuds. But these are all things that most games already have addressed in someway: Mute, reporting for disruptive behavior/racism, etc.
Adding friends to the party would be nice. Having search their names was a drag.

[FoxAnima]

Nguyên văn bởi Bittersweet:

Cause getting killed AND having your precious gear/loot taken from you is an intensely intimidating experience for many people.

And those players that feel this way have hundreds of other games that are focused on PvE.

[FoxAnima]

Nguyên văn bởi Dollop of Mayo:

To answer the OP: Because I'm interested in the way the game plays but personally feel a game where you fight other people needs to be much faster paced and have more options besides "slowly walk around" and "slowly swing your sword around". I realize it's more complicated than that but it's a slow-paced game, and if I want PvP I'll dust off TF2 and remember how to rocket jump around like a maniac.

As the game is, I find the PvP in games like this to be nothing more than an annoying distraction from the part I like about the game, the looting and the killing fantasy monsters.

To me, this game would be fun as a more standard dungeon crawler, just toddling around gathering up loot and fighting skelemans. It'd be more of a chill-out game, but that's cool coz not all games have to be stress-inducing. That being said the devs already said they have plans to spice up the AI, and that's fine too.

And since the framework is there, I don't think it's a tall ask to, at some point, see a mode like this added into the game, at some point down the line. Probably after it's fully released. But that's fine.

Mate its completely alright.
You are not a target playerbase of this game and its fine.
U can play hundreds other games that focus on pve.

People of ur kind go to any mmorpg complaining about open pvp and griefers. But when those players finally have a game that is made for them, there comes a bunch of people like u. And saying u want this game to be made for YOU, and fluff the others u thrown away from mmorpg genre.
U realize how egoistic u are? Jeez

[Shar]

Honestly the gear isn't a big deal. You can still get smoked in blue gear. Sure maybe, add insurance for gear like in EVE for ships. Don't play what you're not willing to lose. But the pvp/pve battle royale in a DnD style could be better. IE more portals, opportunity for interaction cooperation/betrayal via voip or chat. But if it was a pure battle royale pvp without the pve then it'll be popular for a few months. Maybe. Hype is going to die. Gotta acknowledge the pve and pvp aspects make this game interesting. Its really good concept. No one has to play the same way.

Let the devs figure out what they want for their game.

[Dollop of Mayo]

Nguyên văn bởi FoxAnima:

Mate its completely alright.
You are not a target playerbase of this game and its fine.
U can play hundreds other games that focus on pve.

People of ur kind go to any mmorpg complaining about open pvp and griefers. But when those players finally have a game that is made for them, there comes a bunch of people like u. And saying u want this game to be made for YOU, and fluff the others u thrown away from mmorpg genre.
U realize how egoistic u are? Jeez

Mate it's completely alright. You don't have to make up a guy to be mad at. My actual posts and the things that I really said are all available for you to view and regard, instead of putting words into my mouth to make me sound worse.

I'm not asking for the game to be made for me, I'm asking for a game mode that already mostly exists within the coding to be made available for me and for many others who would be interested in it, and would cause 0 harm to those who the core game is "made for."

Do you realize how egotistical claiming a game is "for you" and not others is? Gosh.

[Cpt.Waffleiron]

I want to remind you that the game is obviously not in final balancing, and that saying the PVE is just fluff is not something you can concretely assert. All the balancing so far seems to have been oriented around getting a sense of how players interact with the first floor, and with each other. I would hazard a guess that the recent playtest was mainly to test the stability of the matchmaking, the balancing of the classes in a PvP sense, and the procedural generation of the first floor.
With that out of the way:
I want a PvE only gamemode because I have friends who hate the PvP interrupting the dungeoneering. Personally I like having the PvP as an option, but the battle royale storm mechanic is something I just hate. The primary appeal for me is not the battle royale PvP ala fortnite/valiant/(insert BR game name), and its not the Diablo style looting, its the first-person real time dungeon crawling. I want to see them add puzzles (not just jumping "puzzles"), and several more floors. I'm here to explore the dungeon, and kill bosses. If theres some PvP to be had, thats cool, thats fine, but I want that on the side, and I do NOT want the damned storm to be interrupting everything and corralling people together.

BR games almost always have an open environment, which justifies the storm as a needed element to keep people from hiding in some far flung corner of the map. This is a dungeon with cramped hallways, a specific number of rooms, and no building system or costumes to hide with. The storm is by far my least favorite part of the game because it constantly interrupts looting, prevents retreating from unfavorable engagements with other players, and limits exploration of the rooms. I would deeply enjoy having a slower paced and more exploration-oriented primarily PvE gamemode.

I have more to say on this, but I'm out of time for now.