Why do people want a pve only mode? (fair discussion, keep it nice)

[Dregora]

Don't get me wrong, I am not some pvp lover. I generally enjoy pve games more. But a pve game has to be built for that. This game, for what it is currently. is not a good pve game at all.

The pve aspect is fluff, to give some danger and to have you do something. When you just start out or are new to the game, they're scary and strong. Then you learn the game and/or get better gear and they aren't as strong anymore. They're just a small obstacle at that point. Then what else is left?

For it to be a pve game, they'd have to change a fair amount of things to even make it a fun pve game. As it stands, it is not a fun pve game. Most people saying it's a fun pve game probably just started out and are still in the early stages where everything is hard and scary. But that wears off. And then what?

This isn't some diablo type of game. I saw some people wanting that, but you're asking for a whole different game. I often feel like people do not even quite understand what they're asking for or the possible consequences would they listen to that request.

If they take the game as it is and get rid of the pvp, even if it's a seperate mode and it's just pve.. you'll get bored real fast. And not only that, are we gonna allow pve servers and pvp servers to mix gear? Can you just farm pve to get good gear then dunk on new players in pvp? Or do we keep it completely seperate? If so how is that gonna look? How do you balance the gear/maps for both modes that work quite different?

Maybe down the line, after release, they have time to make a pve only mode specifically designed for it, but as it stands right now? It'd be dumb to do.

[limierr]

I don’t mind the pvp part ( to give an idea I play I bunch of similar game : tarkov, marauders, hell,…).
However I still wanted in this game a pve solo coop part for multiple reasons :
1) if servers get closed, the game could still be playable ( nothing last forever).
2) it could work as a training tool to learn all mechanism. It also also alllw to train as a team.
3) especially in this type of game : I would like to know more about the lore and like … why we are entering inside those dungeons ? Of course the « story » dimension could be developed through quest similar to tarkov but for now we don’t know.

Additionally I think a « boss mode » could be fun : an instance where a group of 8-12 players gathers to fight a huge monster.

[h1.Frenk]

we could just add a PvE mode or a map where there are a lot of traps, not such a valuable loot. I think that would be a good idea.

[~WW~Frittenkiller]

I think a pve Mode with only grey and White Loot Would be fine. You could get practic and learn fighting With friends but dort get "overgeared" for Pvp mode

[Slayer Slayerson]

Cuz it's garbage joining a game without gear and everyone else is groups of 3, fully decked out just Asterix'ing with potion through newbies?

[Meowteus]

Because PVP often ends up being sweat fest about who is better, has better reflexes, etc. instead of chill, cooperative or slow strategical gameplay. Not saying you cannot have those in PVP game but there is something in slowly crawling, stealthing and battling your way through a dangerous dungeon with friends in first person.

[Dregora]

Originally posted by Antaeus:

Because PVP often ends up being sweat fest about who is better, has better reflexes, etc. instead of chill, cooperative or slow strategical gameplay. Not saying you cannot have those in PVP game but there is something in slowly crawling, stealthing and battling your way through a dangerous dungeon with friends in first person.

But the dungeon isn't dangerous? That's why I keep saying as is. For the game to turn into what you're describing it's a whole different game. That's why I say that people don't really get what they're talking about.

In fact, the dungeon is laughably easy with other people.

[Legendairy2]

Originally posted by Dregora:

Originally posted by Antaeus:

Because PVP often ends up being sweat fest about who is better, has better reflexes, etc. instead of chill, cooperative or slow strategical gameplay. Not saying you cannot have those in PVP game but there is something in slowly crawling, stealthing and battling your way through a dangerous dungeon with friends in first person.

But the dungeon isn't dangerous? That's why I keep saying as is. For the game to turn into what you're describing it's a whole different game. That's why I say that people don't really get what they're talking about.

In fact, the dungeon is laughably easy with other people.

You are correct, the PvE in current state is a joke outside like 2 bosses. That doesnt change the fact that they could easily tune and adjust the dungeons to be a more difficult PvE experience down the road for those who want it. Should it be a priority right now? Absolutely not, shouldnt even be a thought until the game is released in a years time and the base game is solid and ready to roll

[Dregora]

Originally posted by Legendairy2:

Originally posted by Dregora:

But the dungeon isn't dangerous? That's why I keep saying as is. For the game to turn into what you're describing it's a whole different game. That's why I say that people don't really get what they're talking about.

In fact, the dungeon is laughably easy with other people.

You are correct, the PvE in current state is a joke outside like 2 bosses. That doesnt change the fact that they could easily tune and adjust the dungeons to be a more difficult PvE experience down the road for those who want it. Should it be a priority right now? Absolutely not, shouldnt even be a thought until the game is released in a years time and the base game is solid and ready to roll

Nah we agree then, I have no problems with them doing that after the core game is done and released. I think most people just want it right now and that's a mistake.

[Scooty]

It's where the game has the best leg's it feels like to me. Thank's for being open to an honest PVE answer.

[BIinzer]

The PvE is the first enjoyable aspect of the game because it's hard and feels rewarding when you first pick up the game. I think this game, as an extension, would do well if they created maps with more/harder enemies like the lower level and had that also be a part of the game in a separate mode where the items don't mix. Not saying change what's already there, I'm saying add more. Some people just like going through the dungeons and seeing what's there. I do understand that creating more assets is the heaviest task in building a game though, so I can see why you wouldn't want to do that as a dev.

[zombuster22]

It gives the game an offline option for one

It gives people a place to learn core mechanics without being slaughtered by vets in high-level gear

It gives a place for people to get some gold and low-ish level gear so they can have a fighting chance in PvP.

In my opinion, any RPG style game needs a PvE only mode. I'm not against PvP, I really enjoy this game's PvP, but when I'm wanting to have some casual fun and don't want to worry about avoiding a group of sweaty PKers who kill someone just so they don't escape with their measly 60 gold worth of broken silver bands then it makes me not want to play at all.

[Herbspiceguy]

Cause getting killed AND having your precious gear/loot taken from you is an intensely intimidating experience for many people.

[Legendairy2]

Originally posted by Knotbuster22:

It gives the game an offline option for one

It gives people a place to learn core mechanics without being slaughtered by vets in high-level gear

It gives a place for people to get some gold and low-ish level gear so they can have a fighting chance in PvP.

In my opinion, any RPG style game needs a PvE only mode. I'm not against PvP, I really enjoy this game's PvP, but when I'm wanting to have some casual fun and don't want to worry about avoiding a group of sweaty PKers who kill someone just so they don't escape with their measly 60 gold worth of broken silver bands then it makes me not want to play at all.

If PvE only queue is added, those characters need to be 100% separated from the normal mode and not be able to queue into normal mode. You dont get to go safely farm against what is currently some of the most brain dead AI, then take that gear into PvP.

[Legendairy2]

Originally posted by Bittersweet:

Cause getting killed AND having your precious gear/loot taken from you is an intensely intimidating experience for many people.

The sooner ppl start telling themselves it is OK to die, it is OK to lose gear, the sooner they will be capable of enjoying more games. So many ppl are so scared, i dont get it, go do 50 default gear runs if losing gear is scary and learn the game mechanics. I did that my first 10ish runs, spent them just learning the game

[zombuster22]

Originally posted by Legendairy2:

Originally posted by Knotbuster22:

It gives the game an offline option for one

It gives people a place to learn core mechanics without being slaughtered by vets in high-level gear

It gives a place for people to get some gold and low-ish level gear so they can have a fighting chance in PvP.

In my opinion, any RPG style game needs a PvE only mode. I'm not against PvP, I really enjoy this game's PvP, but when I'm wanting to have some casual fun and don't want to worry about avoiding a group of sweaty PKers who kill someone just so they don't escape with their measly 60 gold worth of broken silver bands then it makes me not want to play at all.

If PvE only queue is added, those characters need to be 100% separated from the normal mode and not be able to queue into normal mode. You dont get to go safely farm against what is currently some of the most brain dead AI, then take that gear into PvP.

see though i disagree, this game needs to keep them together, but have a loot value limit in the PvE modes to make it worth playing the PvP mode