Dear god, the circle feels so out of place

[♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.]

Why in hell would you implement a closling circle in this game when exploration is important ?
The circle is a nuisance at best, and it doesn't improve the gameplay loop whatsoever.
If you want to gradually make the map smaller, why not close off entire rooms and corridors, making the dungeon crawling experience more challenging due to planning.

[oVISOR]

At first I was in the same wagon but after playing for a bit I realized the game is about timing and decisions, rooms take time to clear (combat is also about timing, aggro management and etc), doors take time to open and close, chests to open. You should be moving forward most of the time rather than horizontally, you should be planning your route through the map with the circle in mind. You cant loot every chest, sometimes even crates, only vases. Most extraction shooters make it so its only worthwile to extract with as much good stuff as possible, making choke points where the good loot is (or the bounty in HS), but this game makes it so worthwhile to just extract even if you just make 40g.
Plus, the best gear tends to be on the enemies rather than in the chests.

I would however tweak a bit the starting circle, as it sometimes makes player have to rush half the map at the start.

tldr git gud you can out-heal the dmg with the 6g potion.

[Vllllll]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Supersomething:

Circle forces you to keep moving while simultaneously juggling mobs, players, and finding loot. I think it fits perfectly.

You will move anyway since you need to extract/complete objectives. Hell, in Hunt Showdown there is a lot of fighting, yet there is no circle actually forcing you to make misplays.
You look at your map, see that the extract is over there, objective is over here. You'll expect to encounter people, and you will.

This game doesn't have to be like Hunt Showdown. In this game the circle keeps matches short. And no, you don't need to move if you're safe in the circle, because hiding and waiting for an escape portal is a viable strategy. If you're any good, you'll fill your inventory in the first 5 minutes of the match and further looting will be mostly to deny resources to others.

If you want a game like Hunt: Showdown, why not go play Hunt: Showdown?

[DaWeezerd]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Augoeides:

I have a lot of complaints about the game right now, but none of them are about the circle. This is pretty standard for this genre, and they are pretty generous about it. I don't think I've ever even been damaged by it, and knowing that circle is shrinking certainly adds to the tension of having to speed up or change where your going.

The game isn't first and foremost for exploration, its for combat, with exploration to improve your chances of success. With the way doors work, shutting behind you is beneficial, as it takes longer to open them, than close. This means that a clever player could potentially trap another person as the circle is closing, and either finish them off or whatever.

I do hate how easy it is to die though, especially against a roaming band of three tryhards. And how you keep utterly nothing when you die. Sure, you still level, but than in itself is almost worthless. Equipping a new skill that makes your 5 second cast time spell do +5% more damage means nothing compared to finding a sword that can 2 shot people. Overall, just haven't been having a good time.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blackheaven:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Augoeides:

(snip) This is pretty standard for this genre, and they are pretty generous about it (snip)

The circles are common in BR games, not in Extraction games and I would not consider this circle generous by any strech of imagination. Currently, the circles stresses way too much and forces players to push into PvE engagements they cannot win. In fact, I argue that people die to NPCs so often because of this circle. As a full group it is doable, but still annyoing. As solo? Suicide unless you play a very strong PvE class like cleric.

If they want to have a circle, they should follow CoD's DMZ. In that one, the circle beings closing after 20 minutes and you head to an extract point. You have time to explore, do missions and fight other players without being herded into each other.

from Merriam web dictionary
variants or battle royale
pluralbattles royal or battle royals or battles royale or battle royales
1
a
: a fight participated in by more than two combatants
especially : one in which the last fighter in the ring or the last fighter standing is declared the winner
b
: a violent struggle
2
: a heated dispute

This game isn't a battle royale. It's more like Tarkov the ONLY thing it has that makes it in any way similar to a battle royale is the closing circle. That's it.

[DaWeezerd]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PolicarpoBS:

I agree, the circle should be removed or changed.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lowbei:

The games descriptions :

"An unforgiving hardcore fantasy FPS dungeon PvPvE adventure. Band together with your friends and use your courage, wits, and cunning to uncover mythical treasures, defeat gruesome monsters, while staying one step ahead of the other devious treasure-hunters."

Nowhere in it did it say slow dungeon crawl. This is a race.

Yeah, this description could be the same for any other extraction shooter, yet I don't see any circle in Hunt, and yet there's a timer already.

On the other hand, nothing hints towards the race element, and a better design would be a race towards loot/boss kill, not because devs wanted to force feed people with a battle royale element

Developers have stated the circle is a core part of the game, it's not going anywhere. You can look for the interviews where they said this on Youtube.

[♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DaWeezerd:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von PolicarpoBS:

I agree, the circle should be removed or changed.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.:

Yeah, this description could be the same for any other extraction shooter, yet I don't see any circle in Hunt, and yet there's a timer already.

On the other hand, nothing hints towards the race element, and a better design would be a race towards loot/boss kill, not because devs wanted to force feed people with a battle royale element

Developers have stated the circle is a core part of the game, it's not going anywhere. You can look for the interviews where they said this on Youtube.

Really ? Could you give a link for this?

[DestinedLight]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Revlar:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.:

You will move anyway since you need to extract/complete objectives. Hell, in Hunt Showdown there is a lot of fighting, yet there is no circle actually forcing you to make misplays.
You look at your map, see that the extract is over there, objective is over here. You'll expect to encounter people, and you will.

This game doesn't have to be like Hunt Showdown. In this game the circle keeps matches short. And no, you don't need to move if you're safe in the circle, because hiding and waiting for an escape portal is a viable strategy. If you're any good, you'll fill your inventory in the first 5 minutes of the match and further looting will be mostly to deny resources to others.

If you want a game like Hunt: Showdown, why not go play Hunt: Showdown?

Can we just make sure the portals spawn within the circle? Not like, the very beginning of the map when you're on the last circle?

[Legendairy2]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DaWeezerd:

Developers have stated the circle is a core part of the game, it's not going anywhere. You can look for the interviews where they said this on Youtube.

Really ? Could you give a link for this?

youtube search "Dark and Darker dev interview" it is like a 2 hour interview with time stamps. They flat out said circle is NEVER being removed and is apart of their core vision

[Zytx]

I'd rather brawl it out at the center of the map after 10min than brawl it out at the center of the map after 30 minutes of waiting for the slows to check every room cause there is nothing to hurry them up. I like the circle, it forces engagement and shrinks the area in which escape/down portals can appear. It serves it's purpose well enough, ain't broke, and I see no better alternative

[♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Legendairy2:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ♥♥♥♥ this game, it's too hard.:

Really ? Could you give a link for this?

youtube search "Dark and Darker dev interview" it is like a 2 hour interview with time stamps. They flat out said circle is NEVER being removed and is apart of their core vision

Alright, then it'll be a hard pass. Thank you.