Why this is a PvPvE game

[Lowbei]

Due to a large number of ‘PvE mode’ requests, demands, and threats, from people who claim to “not understand” why they cant have their safe spaces added to this game, it seems that detailed explanation is necessary.

First, I want to point out that there is nothing wrong with requesting anything, however the requests…

“please add pve mode”

often shift into demands…

“you have to add pve mode or we wont play”

then into threats…

“add pve mode or your game will die. you need our money.”

So there are numerous reasons why this is a PvPvE game. The high risk high reward nature of the game is why there are loot chests eeeverywhere. Sometimes 10+ in a room. Removing massive chunks of the risk factor would require also getting rid of most of the loot (the high reward) and result in much less loot from runs.

These same people also request the closing circle be removed too, because thats a PvP mechanic, and thus they would have to get rid of even more loot.

Furthermore, that mode would need to be completely different characters and gear than the PvP side, else people would safely farm the best gear before jumping into normal servers fully geared.

The argument gets made that “just give us seperate characters and servers for PvE” disregarding the fact that it would split up the playerbase in a way that would result in ‘PvE servers’ and ‘PvP servers’ becoming the norm, which would ruin the dev’s PvPvE vision for their game.

The reality is that the game is made for everyone, and that people ‘want more pvp’ when they dont have much to lose, and ‘want less pvp’ when they are full of good loot. Thus people have reasons to engage other players or to run. This would no longer exist if the game had split gameplay modes.

So no, your “simple request” wouldnt be “harmless” to the main audience of the game. It would directly affect the official game mode negatively.

This brings me to the most important question, which is “why would devs make a specifically PvPvE game?” The answer is because it is an extremely popular game mode. Last night when I checked, there were over 50,000 players online. 34k ingame, 17k in the lobby, in an alpha test for an indie game. Its also quite popular on youtube and twitch. As a PvE game it wouldnt have anywhere near those numbers, as the PvE content wouldnt last for more than a few hours. The PvP is what makes that content last.

They know that they could make a quick buck by opening PvE servers, but their integrity is more valuable to them than a quick buck. The devs have seen what happens to games that cater to the herbivores and thus they seem to be wisely ignoring that nonsense and focusing on their vision. In this industry, that kind of thing is very respectable, and will pay off as the numbers show.

In conclusion, people who came here for ‘PvE only’ because they have chosen to exclude themselves from that game mode, then thats their decision to make. However, to then download PvP games after ignoring the store description and official tags, and then start demanding changes be made seems a bit rude to me to say “I refuse to play the game the way you intended.”

This is why this is a PvPvE game, and will continue to be. Kudos to the devs for having the vision to turn this simple project into a big popular success via sticking to their principles and not caving to the people who want a different game mode.

[Grulemugg]

TLDR. Sorry.

I just realized what PvPvE means...
Won't buy. I want a co-op game thats girlfriend compatible.
Any kind of competitve play: Thanks but no thanks.

I really hope you fall flat on your virtual faces with your "our way or the highway" approach, because you may actually learn through pain. Last time I checked market economy was about supply and demmand. You supply what I demmand or you can stick your product where it is dark and darker...

[Dollop of Mayo]

I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for u tho. Or sorry that happened.

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by Grulemugg:

TLDR. Sorry.

I just realized what PvPvE means...
Won't buy. I want a co-op game thats girlfriend compatible.
Any kind of competitve play: Thanks but no thanks.

I really hope you fall flat on your virtual faces with your "our way or the highway" approach, because you may actually learn through pain. Last time I checked market economy was about supply and demmand. You supply what I demmand or you can stick your product where it is dark and darker...

“I hope you fail because you made the game you wanted instead of the game i wanted.”

yikes

the game is quite popular. 50k concurrent players in an unadvertised alpha. its understandable if you exclude yourself from the core content of this game, but youre always welcome to come back if you change your mind ;)

a lot of people dont want to deal with the challenge of fighting ‘thinking opponents’ and prefer combat with the ai instead. this is very common.

hopefully you find a pve only game you can enjoy. have you tried skyrim?

[FISHINGPLANET]

Originally posted by Grulemugg:

TLDR. Sorry.

I just realized what PvPvE means...
Won't buy. I want a co-op game thats girlfriend compatible.
Any kind of competitve play: Thanks but no thanks.

I really hope you fall flat on your virtual faces with your "our way or the highway" approach, because you may actually learn through pain. Last time I checked market economy was about supply and demmand. You supply what I demmand or you can stick your product where it is dark and darker...

TLDR; mad cuz bad

[Grulemugg]

Originally posted by Lowbei:

“I hope you fail because you made the game you wanted instead of the game i wanted.”

With that kind of attitude, you better have a really good day job - because producing products and services for yourself instead of for you customers is called a hobby, not a business...
Good luck. You need it.

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by Grulemugg:

Originally posted by Lowbei:

“I hope you fail because you made the game you wanted instead of the game i wanted.”

With that kind of attitude, you better have a really good day job - because producing products and services for yourself instead of for you customers is called a hobby, not a business...
Good luck. You need it.

They made a game for their customers, and their customers are enjoying it, which is why so many big youtubers and streamers are playing it.

You simply dont like that others are enjoying something that you dont like.

[Dollop of Mayo]

Also, expanding your market is possible without driving away the original target market, unless your original target market are unimaginative status quo addicts who are repulsed by the idea of people enjoying a game differently from the way they do, and in a way that does not affect them in the slightest.

But who needs that particular demographic?

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by Suspense:

Originally posted by Lowbei:

They made a game for their customers, and their customers are enjoying it, which is why so many big youtubers and streamers are playing it.

You don't have any customers until they pay you for your product. Nobody has paid anything for this game, so Ironmace still doesn't have any customers. What you meant was it's a game made for their "target market", but you never know if your idea is good until people buy your product.

Usually people who are ‘gamer’ enough to play and enjoy alpha tests are also going to be buying the game, along with a lot more. Usually the launch numbers are far bigger than alpha test numbers, in all games.

Originally posted by Dollop of Mayo:

Also, expanding your market is possible without driving away the original target market, unless your original target market are unimaginative status quo addicts who are repulsed by the idea of people enjoying a game differently from the way they do, and in a way that does not affect them in the slightest.

But who needs that particular demographic?

Incorrect.

someone clearly didnt read the OP.

[Dollop of Mayo]

I mean I skimmed over a bunch of baseless prognostication typed out by a person who considers themselves an authority on the subject coz they're wearing a plastic badge they got at a toy store ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by Dollop of Mayo:

I mean I skimmed over a bunch of baseless prognostication typed out by a person who considers themselves an authority on the subject coz they're wearing a plastic badge they got at a toy store ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dodging the OP to continue the “I dont understand, it wont hurt anything” nonsense isnt something I can take seriously. This is probably why the devs are ignoring those requests as well, as its hard to take people seriously who dodge facts so they can pretend to still be confused after posting here for days. I cant blame them either.

[Dollop of Mayo]

Originally posted by Lowbei:

Dodging the OP to continue the “I dont understand, it wont hurt anything” nonsense isnt something I can take seriously. This is probably why the devs are ignoring those requests as well, as its hard to take people seriously who dodge facts so they can pretend to still be confused after posting here for days. I cant blame them either.

My friend, you are not on the development team, no matter how hard you LARP.

Acting like you know what's going to happen and that people should listen to you about anything is pure delusion.

[AutopilotOpossum]

Thank you for being one of the few people that explained why a PvE mode could harm the game, in a respectful manner. I can see how adding a PvE mode would possibly split resources for the indie devs

[Lowbei]

Originally posted by Dollop of Mayo:

Originally posted by Lowbei:

Dodging the OP to continue the “I dont understand, it wont hurt anything” nonsense isnt something I can take seriously. This is probably why the devs are ignoring those requests as well, as its hard to take people seriously who dodge facts so they can pretend to still be confused after posting here for days. I cant blame them either.

My friend, you are not on the development team, no matter how hard you LARP.

Acting like you know what's going to happen and that people should listen to you about anything is pure delusion.

never said i was, nor asked anyone to listen to me. I stated facts and numbers.

Not reading the OP and then being confused about things detailed in the OP, followed by insults, shows that youre just unhappy and looking to argue with people, so I will have to ignore you now. Try Skyrim :)

[Dollop of Mayo]

Speculation =/= facts and wanting to be right about something =/= actually being right about it

Like, listen, I get it. You REALLY want things to be a certain way and would be bothered if they weren't. You've made that abundantly clear.

Me? I think it'd be neat for things to be a certain way, but if they don't end up that way, I'd be happy to walk away. Only time will tell.

I mean that. ONLY time will tell. Not you.

[zero]

Originally posted by Lowbei:

Due to a large number of ‘PvE mode’ requests, demands, and threats, from people who claim to “not understand” why they cant have their safe spaces added to this game, it seems that detailed explanation is necessary.

First, I want to point out that there is nothing wrong with requesting anything, however the requests…

“please add pve mode”

often shift into demands…

“you have to add pve mode or we wont play”

then into threats…

“add pve mode or your game will die. you need our money.”

in no real order: the request for pve mode is already a "pve or we wont play" because, rightfully, people are entitled to their opinions and wont buy a game they won't enjoy.

the second part is a)not a threat, and b)their subjective opinion, which does have some merit.

pvp games sustain themselves off of it having a player base, if the player base dwindles, the game dies, but pve games do not have this concern, you can return with your friends at any time and play the game.

to each their own, but its a valid opinion to have either way, i see no reason why, if they cater to the pve group, that it would affect anything besides drawing it more people to play their game.

everyone wins in that regard.