Barbarian is unplayable

[anime tiddies]

Literally the worst class design I have ever seen. Rogues can trade with barbarians because they can swing like 8 times before you can even get your 2nd swing off. Fighters can just block. You will never catch a ranger or wizard so it's an instant loss.

How can you design a class that is the slowest in the game, and gets no reward when it actually hits something? Skeletons take 2-3 hits to kill, players take a minimum of 2 unless you get some cracked weapon but let's be real you won't be holding onto that weapon for long with how garbage this class is.

Can't solo, useless in a team. No utility, no healing. What garbage design. Idk why you would ever make something so slow and yet also so unrewarding when you actually hit someone.

[Nik-Naks]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von FunkBaconDeluxe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Saicko:

EY YO! Dont even try to make me look like a loot goblin before the server even starts.

:DMCJester1:

I am now going to find out your teams favorite path.

[大 Tengoku]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Borges:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 大 Tengoku:

Ok, let me stick with Rogue since you used it as an example.

Can I beat an equally geared and skilled rogue in a duel? Maybe. I'm pretty sure I'm not favored but sure, it can definitely happen. So let's say I beat him..what then? What do I, as a Barbarian do better than other classes? What is it that I can do but they can't?

A Cleric provides invaluable buffs and debuffs for their team.
A Wizard is a master of burst and setups.
A Fighter is a great allrounder; a tank and a damage dealer as the situation demands. Also incredibly easy to gear.
A Rogue will pick locks for their team. Can also decide due to their skillset whether they want to fight or run away. When you can dictate the terms of your fights is a huge plus that everybody seems to forget.
A Ranger is the best ranged class, not to mention a great hybrid with spear, with crazy self sustain and trap setups.

So after taking a quick look at this not too detailed list, are you certain that my class is in a good spot? That I can MAYBE win duels so I should be happy about it? The class that's supposed to be the king of melee can MAYBE beat a Rogue in melee? Wow. What great class identity. There's literally no reason to not run a Fighter or Ranger over a Barbarian in this game. Yet you still have the audacity to come and tell me that the class with nil utility and big maybe's is perfectly fine. Lmao ok. I love reading nonsense from people that haven't played the class for a single minute, got their noob head beat by it a couple of times and try to convince me how I'm wrong and they're right.

Try again.

Maybe barb isnt for you

Finally something that we can agree on. Thankfully I switched to Fighter before the alpha was over and had way more success with her in 8 levels than in 20 on the Barb. Barb in it's current state is like willingly playing the underdog.
Not too sad about it because we've likely only seen a fraction of all the features that are being implemented but if things stay like this for the next alpha I sure as Hell won't be playing this heap of poopoo of a class.

[Dax]

Some of the barb weapons are weaker than some. Try using the Felling Axe next time. If it has 50 or more damage on it, it'll one shot low armor and two shot anyone heavily armored with a headshot. It hits really fast with a good moveset. Only downside is it having short range.

[Dax]

Oh, and try getting a cleric with you. Really good synergy with them

[Shy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Marksman Max:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von le fantôme de argonaut:

...id be hitting them 3 times in the head before dying and spectating them with 80% of their health still left. so if you could give me some example situations where you have 2 shot people and what the situation was on both sides, killer and killed, id appreciate it. also if you felt you experienced the same iffy ness on the hit registration lemme know

You're likely hitting limbs, which do drastically lower damage than body or headshots. If you hit someone in the head with the starter axe and the +10 axe perk, they're gonna feel it.

on my end i see and axe in the other persons head though is the issue, which is why i mentioned it seems to be some netcode shenanigans happening at times

[jest]

There's a reason why the #1 rogue has 1739 kills/9deaths.
Movespeed is king.

If you want to see how:
#1 Rogue
https://youtu.be/GAaz9ALr2Gk
#1 Wiz
https://youtu.be/DvDotApxHzM

Having a cleric bot can turn any bad player/class into a workable one.

That doesn't mean Barb is good.


Cleric/Barb is outperformed by Cleric and:

-Rogue with +DMG equipment. Two shots players. Lower TTK than Barb, because of faster attack speed. Fast natural movespeed lets you control when to engage, close faster against ranged, and prevents kiting.

-Fighter can use all the Barb weapons, including felling axe. Can use Victory Strike for 1 hit kills. Sprint doesn't completely strip himself of armor. Can spam self-heals. Faster movespeed than Barb at equivalent armor. Can swaps to bows for 1 shot HS (nuff said).

-Ranger with spear 2 shots in melee, 1 HS with bows. Much faster movespeeds than barb. Instant self heals. Trap to stop pushes cold.

-Wizard. Fastest movespeed, MM ambushes completely ignore armor and cleric bubbles. Shotgun MM ~1.5s TTK against anyone, no gear required.

Assuming players are of equal skill when paired with a cleric, a Barb is outperformed by every class.

Movespeed is king. Melee damage doesn't means jack if Barbs can't close because they're being outkited and rooted before they're in range to swing.

[Marksman Max]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jest:

There's a reason why the #1 rogue has 1739 kills/9deaths.
Movespeed is king.
~snip~

Now, this is a good class balance argument!

I'm not gonna comment on the entire thing piece by piece, but it definitely seems to suggest that Barb is weaker against other classes, especially Fighter. It might make more sense if Fighter was limited to one-handed weapons, making them more of the tank class instead of the tank AND damage class. I'm not against Fighter having ranged weapons, but the Recurve Bow and Longbow both make Fighter far too strong at ranged combat. The Ranger is supposed to be the king of that.

[Jaggervice]

There's videos of barbs running around killing entire teams in 1-2 hits each. But more importantly, classes aren't being designed around solo play, which is all this discussion is really about, so it is kind of a mute point. Barbarian plays its role just fine.

Pretty much every single post about the strength or shortcomings of any class are based on solo play, which this game is not.

[(Farkon) 2m_anylootboxes]

Hopefully +additional damage will be % based or scale based on how "big" and/or "slow" a weapon is.

[Shinmen Munisai]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jajajajajajajajajaja:

Literally the worst class design I have ever seen. Rogues can trade with barbarians because they can swing like 8 times before you can even get your 2nd swing off. Fighters can just block. You will never catch a ranger or wizard so it's an instant loss.

How can you design a class that is the slowest in the game, and gets no reward when it actually hits something? Skeletons take 2-3 hits to kill, players take a minimum of 2 unless you get some cracked weapon but let's be real you won't be holding onto that weapon for long with how garbage this class is.

Can't solo, useless in a team. No utility, no healing. What garbage design. Idk why you would ever make something so slow and yet also so unrewarding when you actually hit someone.

L2P issue

[pirate]

It looked like the female barbarian avatar was dual wielding one handed axes so there might be a faster swinging playstyle for barbarian later

[Stunbot]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von FunkBaconDeluxe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Troubleshooter:

I suspect the issue is that at some point, the core gameplay is about farming PVP for top tier loot

I will admit the most treasure I ever found, was always on a dead rogue.

Yeah cause the only thing a rogue can do is loot or get 2 shotted lul

[poopgaming2]

only ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pretend the barb is a good class
ive never died to a barn on any class

[pRaX]

There's a reason why the #1 rogue has 1739 kills/9deaths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAHyiq3QQo
As we can see there, it obviously doesn't take much except for time and using something busted to achieve that.
I guess running around slaying freshies for hours on end will make you complacent or in truth, turn you into a walking Dunning-Kruger and die like a troglodyte.

Chances of running into a group of people on somewhat equal footing in regards to skill are super slim currently but there is boat loads of seals to club.
Chances of running into people also being on equal footing in regards to gear aswell are even slimmer.
Chances of running into people being on equal footing in skill and equipment but no distractions and ready for it, barely even existent.

The leaderboard fame fiending considering the game's state, expecting people to be impressed, is kinda cringe.
At the same time, the devs are rewarding it on their Discord... which surely will attract only people who have the best in mind to better the game's future rather than their own in the age of social media. smh

Barb, sure, due to the changes he was better than in the 1st playtest.
But still pretty trash when not facing a bunch of bonobos while having loads of advantages over them in regards to situation, numbers, skill and gear.

[Shinmen Munisai]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von pRaX:

There's a reason why the #1 rogue has 1739 kills/9deaths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAHyiq3QQo
As we can see there, it obviously doesn't take much except for time and using something busted to achieve that.
I guess running around slaying freshies for hours on end will make you complacent or in truth, turn you into a walking Dunning-Kruger and die like a troglodyte.

Chances of running into a group of people on somewhat equal footing in regards to skill are super slim currently but there is boat loads of seals to club.
Chances of running into people also being on equal footing in regards to gear aswell are even slimmer.
Chances of running into people being on equal footing in skill and equipment but no distractions and ready for it, barely even existent.

The leaderboard fame fiending considering the game's state, expecting people to be impressed, is kinda cringe.
At the same time, the devs are rewarding it on their Discord... which surely will attract only people who have the best in mind to better the game's future rather than their own in the age of social media. smh

Barb, sure, due to the changes he was better than in the 1st playtest.
But still pretty trash when not facing a bunch of bonobos while having loads of advantages over them in regards to situation, numbers, skill and gear.

You take one of the best (or the best?) rogue atm for explaining your point? "it obviously doesn't take much" do the same and put it on yt, we will see.