Cheating Bots

[Stranger]

So I reported these this morning, but I have been seeing a lot of duplicate cards played lately. I also caught "someone" playing a six cost card on turn 5. Pretty sure these are both bots.

On the turn 5 Blob you might be inclined to think that Iron Lad was contributing a reduced cost or giving extra energy, but its text was blank so I guess that could be a possibility but I didn't see a visual signifying an energy increase. I should have taken a screenshot of that card in hindsight, but I wasn't thinking about it at the time.

edit: It should also be mentioned that the bot was playing on the Brooklyn Bridge on turns 4 and 5 despite the fact you can't play consecutive turns on that location. The cheating is just flagrant. I guess the only question is whether this is incompetence or rigged. Even if you doubt all of that, you cannot explain how he has Gilgmesh, Blob, and Iron Lad all out at turn 5 -a cost 4, 5, and 6 respectively.

How often do you guys encounter stuff like this?

https://imgur.com/a/BvP3g40

[groovador]

[scorpionking from mummy returns]

bruh

[Rikkore]

Arishem

[Stranger]

Originally posted by Rikkore:

Arishem

Ah okay, that explains Blob. . . Double Deaths too? I guess that is possible. So I am just in Ariishem Bot tier for competition I guess lol. Seems a little overkill for CL 1.5k

Thanks man, good looking out.

[mynameisBlade]

Been saying this. Ben Brode can't make games without bots. He literally has no idea how to. I feel bad for him.

[kingts]

Okay guessing here, because I am only going by your description.

GAME 1-Yes its a bot, and it seems to be an Arishem deck. Did you see the actual card Iron-lad energized with or are you guessing. If you both played into Brooklyn Bridge and he had priority are you sure Blob came on turn five, or was pulled into the lane by Iron-lad copying say a Jubilee effect. Brooklyn Bridge has had some bug issues reported.
A: One playing into that location before BB is revealed that locked the player out on the next turn, meaning it counted it.
B: Another was the Legion effect, that caused some of the duplication to lock out a player on one location of the duplication and not the other.
C: Another is if both players play into the lane on the same turn it will go by priority, instead of locking both players out the following turn. So in your example it is possible, On turn 4, Iron-lad was played, then you played Lady SIf turn 4, but because the bot had priority you were locked out and he was not.
So yes, there are some bugs with Brooklyn Bridge, but sometimes it is also utilized wrong.
https://snap.fan/news/location-lowdown-brooklyn-bridge/
They can look up your sequence based on your account number to double check what actually happened in that match.
Go here to send any bug reports, get a faster response.
https://discord.com/channels/978545345715908668/1020475179085865000

So yes, there are issues with Brooklyn Bridge they are trying to correct. To me, they should always remove a location from the game that has bug issues, until ALL are corrected, but that would be my rule, because they try to fix this as it exists, they run into these complaints. I am not a fan of fix as you go in gacha gaming development.

GAME 2- I am unclear if World-ship change mid game or from the start. for example, was World Forge one of the other locations that altered the first one say after turn 4. If so it would explain the Moon-girl duplicating Death, and being destroyed with 5-6 remaining as turns. Or only turn 6 remaining.
I am guessing there the sequence. Why you stayed with what your showing in hand is beyond me.
You would have to be a little more clear on the sequence to game 2 brother.

I am guessing here, so yes, there are bots, yes, there are bugs and taking it to them is the right course. Bots already know exactly what you have and add a deck tracker like untapped.gg, to better help in your reports.

[Stranger]

Originally posted by kingts:

Okay guessing here, because I am only going by your description.

GAME 1-Yes its a bot, and it seems to be an Arishem deck. Did you see the actual card Iron-lad energized with or are you guessing. If you both played into Brooklyn Bridge and he had priority are you sure Blob came on turn five, or was pulled into the lane by Iron-lad copying say a Jubilee effect. Brooklyn Bridge has had some bug issues reported.
A: One playing into that location before BB is revealed that locked the player out on the next turn, meaning it counted it.
B: Another was the Legion effect, that caused some of the duplication to lock out a player on one location of the duplication and not the other.
C: Another is if both players play into the lane on the same turn it will go by priority, instead of locking both players out the following turn. So in your example it is possible, On turn 4, Iron-lad was played, then you played Lady SIf turn 4, but because the bot had priority you were locked out and he was not.
So yes, there are some bugs with Brooklyn Bridge, but sometimes it is also utilized wrong.
https://snap.fan/news/location-lowdown-brooklyn-bridge/
They can look up your sequence based on your account number to double check what actually happened in that match.
Go here to send any bug reports, get a faster response.
https://discord.com/channels/978545345715908668/1020475179085865000

So yes, there are issues with Brooklyn Bridge they are trying to correct. To me, they should always remove a location from the game that has bug issues, until ALL are corrected, but that would be my rule, because they try to fix this as it exists, they run into these complaints. I am not a fan of fix as you go in gacha gaming development.

GAME 2- I am unclear if World-ship change mid game or from the start. for example, was World Forge one of the other locations that altered the first one say after turn 4. If so it would explain the Moon-girl duplicating Death, and being destroyed with 5-6 remaining as turns. Or only turn 6 remaining.
I am guessing there the sequence. Why you stayed with what your showing in hand is beyond me.
You would have to be a little more clear on the sequence to game 2 brother.

I am guessing here, so yes, there are bots, yes, there are bugs and taking it to them is the right course. Bots already know exactly what you have and add a deck tracker like untapped.gg, to better help in your reports.

:dwarven:

Can always count on you Knight. Yeah World Ship was turn 1, but now that you mention it I totally forgot Moon Girl duplicates cards. I wouldn't expect to see one in a Venom deck, but with Arishem it makes sense. Hell, even just as a way to create fodder for consumption it makes sense. It is totally possible they played a Moon Girl and ate it with Venom and I just didn't register what was going on until double Death came out.

I struck with these games because I am just grinding out Alliance quests. I needed Discards so I ran my Dracula deck, I needed Destroys so I ran Venom. It wasn't about winning in these instances -although I like to win when I can.

Anyway, appreciate the break down as always man. Looks like I might just have been paranoid in both of these cases.

edit: I think your simultaneous-play lock-out scenario is what took place. I am pretty sure Gilgamesh came out before Iron Lad, but Sif was absolutely the last card I played on turn five -as evidenced by the lock-out Xs

[Wipkonijntje]

also there r no arishem bots.

u see ari = u face a real player.

[kingts]

Originally posted by Stranger:

Originally posted by kingts:

Okay guessing here, because I am only going by your description.

GAME 1-Yes its a bot, and it seems to be an Arishem deck. Did you see the actual card Iron-lad energized with or are you guessing. If you both played into Brooklyn Bridge and he had priority are you sure Blob came on turn five, or was pulled into the lane by Iron-lad copying say a Jubilee effect. Brooklyn Bridge has had some bug issues reported.
A: One playing into that location before BB is revealed that locked the player out on the next turn, meaning it counted it.
B: Another was the Legion effect, that caused some of the duplication to lock out a player on one location of the duplication and not the other.
C: Another is if both players play into the lane on the same turn it will go by priority, instead of locking both players out the following turn. So in your example it is possible, On turn 4, Iron-lad was played, then you played Lady SIf turn 4, but because the bot had priority you were locked out and he was not.
So yes, there are some bugs with Brooklyn Bridge, but sometimes it is also utilized wrong.
https://snap.fan/news/location-lowdown-brooklyn-bridge/
They can look up your sequence based on your account number to double check what actually happened in that match.
Go here to send any bug reports, get a faster response.
https://discord.com/channels/978545345715908668/1020475179085865000

So yes, there are issues with Brooklyn Bridge they are trying to correct. To me, they should always remove a location from the game that has bug issues, until ALL are corrected, but that would be my rule, because they try to fix this as it exists, they run into these complaints. I am not a fan of fix as you go in gacha gaming development.

GAME 2- I am unclear if World-ship change mid game or from the start. for example, was World Forge one of the other locations that altered the first one say after turn 4. If so it would explain the Moon-girl duplicating Death, and being destroyed with 5-6 remaining as turns. Or only turn 6 remaining.
I am guessing there the sequence. Why you stayed with what your showing in hand is beyond me.
You would have to be a little more clear on the sequence to game 2 brother.

I am guessing here, so yes, there are bots, yes, there are bugs and taking it to them is the right course. Bots already know exactly what you have and add a deck tracker like untapped.gg, to better help in your reports.

Can always count on you Knight. Yeah World Ship was turn 1, but now that you mention it I totally forgot Moon Girl duplicates cards. I wouldn't expect to see one in a Venom deck, but with Arishem it makes sense. Hell, even just as a way to create fodder for consumption it makes sense. It is totally possible they played a Moon Girl and ate it with Venom and I just didn't register what was going on until double Death came out.

I struck with these games because I am just grinding out Alliance quests. I needed Discards so I ran my Dracula deck, I needed Destroys so I ran Venom. It wasn't about winning in these instances -although I like to win when I can.

Anyway, appreciate the break down as always man. Looks like I might just have been paranoid in both of these cases.

edit: I think your simultaneous-play lock-out scenario is what took place. I am pretty sure Gilgamesh came out before Iron Lad, but Sif was absolutely the last card I played on turn five -as evidenced by the lock-out Xs

No problem brother. Get Untapped.gg, it will help you with deck recognition to better make good decisions on snapping and escaping, but it also will help you in your bug reports because it will show all cards utilized by the system.
It use to reveal BOT opponents, but I think they were asked to remove that.
Report them anyway those games to their bug support, they can easily check your account and look at those matches thoroughly and get back to you.
Couldn't hurt. I would not have stayed in those matches, but totally understand your reasoning.
You stay safe.

[Stranger]

Originally posted by Wipkonijntje:

also there r no arishem bots.

u see ari = u face a real player.

If you say so. I haven't been playing long enough to know. A few weeks a year or so ago, a few weeks more recently. Hell, I didn't even know about Arishem lol

[kingts]

Originally posted by Stranger:

Originally posted by Wipkonijntje:

also there r no arishem bots.

u see ari = u face a real player.

If you say so. I haven't been playing long enough to know. A few weeks a year or so ago, a few weeks more recently. Hell, I didn't even know about Arishem lol

Go here for some fast tips

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1997040/discussions/0/4036978233551911883/

Archetypes are here

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1997040/discussions/0/4638238788728942824/

Untapped is here
https://untapped.gg/en

If you have questions do not hesitate to ask. Good community either here or on their discord which you can easily look up.

be well

[NotBer]

afaik, bots only use Series 1-3 cards. so a bot Arishem deck is impossible.

[kingts]

Originally posted by ItsNotBer:

afaik, bots only use Series 1-3 cards. so a bot Arishem deck is impossible.

Actually incorrect. Depends your placement.
Newer bots implemented to deal with high rank, conquest and other game modes, though rare can utilize 4-5 series cards. They can touch ANY deck theme as well. It will match the flow of the card series you are at.
You can verify on their discord and I can link examples of this on Reddit. I myself see them all the time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/1fjvpep/bots_with_series_45_cards_now/?rdt=33853

So yes, Bots can use 4-5 series cards. You be well Itsnot.

[NotBer]

Originally posted by kingts:

Originally posted by ItsNotBer:

afaik, bots only use Series 1-3 cards. so a bot Arishem deck is impossible.

Actually incorrect. Depends your placement.
Newer bots implemented to deal with high rank, conquest and other game modes, though rare can utilize 4-5 series cards. They can touch ANY deck theme as well. It will match the flow of the card series you are at.
You can verify on their discord and I can link examples of this on Reddit. I myself see them all the time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/1fjvpep/bots_with_series_45_cards_now/?rdt=33853

So yes, Bots can use 4-5 series cards. You be well Itsnot. :dwarven:

oh wow. so the ones I played against in conquest with 5k+ CL but never reached infinite are bots then huh

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by ItsNotBer:

oh wow. so the ones I played against in conquest with 5k+ CL but never reached infinite are bots then huh

Bots CL is a fiction. The system creates a number +/- a few thousand of your own. That ends up being a good Tell once you have high CL.
Normally I rely on 3 things to find bots
-Oddball card selection and borders
-Alliance status (so far bots aren't in Alliances as far as I can tell, doesn't mean all non alliance games are bots, but it's a start
-Vibes.

I've never seen a bot playing an organized deck in an organized fashion. If they end up with a bit of organization it's RNG. If they're doing well, that's a testament to the variance built into SNAP more than the skill of the bot coders. It's the same reason Arishem is strong, the information disparity of not knowing what to expect favors the oddball.

All that said, I'm firmly in the camp that bots are there to be farmed for cubes, not to cheat and outplay humans. If you start looking at theories that bots are out there preying on you, and that seems reasonable, it's time for self examination.