What's the counter to discard deck?

[Circurose]

Haha, cosmo?

[Blind Reverend]

Without Dracula, I would use Professor X to seal zones for Hela , with Dracula use anything that puts rocks in a deck. Hobgoblin in a dracula zone is also annoying. Leech can kill Hela too.

With Cosmo, you only give your opponents a zone where they can drop their discard cards without the risk to discard hela.

[Bing Chilling]

i find professor x is probably the best counter to discard decks since you prevent apocalypse

then power cards such as Hulk,Abomination,Sword master,Lizard,Devil Dinosaur and Jessica Jones that have a favorable Cost to Power ratios to more easily manage the inevitable apocalypse that will be thrown out at the end of the game. Iron man is also a very good choice to manage apocalypse, but i'd say locking a location down with professor X is far more worth wild when on turn 5

and yes of course cosmo is a decent choice if you are willing to give up a high power
turn 3 card but he doesn't "stop" the issue that well.

[Blind Reverend]

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

i find professor x is probably the best counter to discard decks since you prevent apocalypse

then power cards such as Hulk,Abomination,Sword master,Lizard,Devil Dinosaur and Jessica Jones that have a favorable Cost to Power ratios to more easily manage the inevitable apocalypse that will be thrown out at the end of the game. Iron man is also a very good choice to manage apocalypse, but i'd say locking a location down with professor X is far more worth wild when on turn 5

and yes of course cosmo is a decent choice if you are willing to give up a high power
turn 3 card but he doesn't "stop" the issue that well.

Apocalypse is not the problem, onyl the buffpot for dracula. Hela is the real danger in discard decks.

I use a discard deck with Hela and Dracula. The biggest risk is to have a low card in hand after turn 6 for dracula and for hela to discard her and not getting ghost rider afterwards.

[Lady MacBeth]

But hela discard isn't even very good. Its tier 4 at best. Yeah you will win a game here and there. But its not a deck that is gonna get you alot of cubes. There is no surprise factor, everything thats going to happen is played out clearly to your opponent. So they either smash you cause they know they got it beat, or they leave and you get 1 cube.

[Blind Reverend]

Originally posted by Ming:

But hela discard isn't even very good. Its tier 4 at best. Yeah you will win a game here and there. But its not a deck that is gonna get you alot of cubes. There is no surprise factor, everything thats going to happen is played out clearly to your opponent. So they either smash you cause they know they got it beat, or they leave and you get 1 cube.

There is no suprise factor with any discard deck. It is very obvious which cards you might face by round 3.

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by Blind Reverend:

Originally posted by Ming:

But hela discard isn't even very good. Its tier 4 at best. Yeah you will win a game here and there. But its not a deck that is gonna get you alot of cubes. There is no surprise factor, everything thats going to happen is played out clearly to your opponent. So they either smash you cause they know they got it beat, or they leave and you get 1 cube.

There is no suprise factor with any discard deck. It is very obvious which cards you might face by round 3.

True, but what I was meaning is as long as you can remember what was discarded you can often figure out fairly safely how much power hela is gonna bring into play.

[Blind Reverend]

Originally posted by Ming:

Originally posted by Blind Reverend:

There is no suprise factor with any discard deck. It is very obvious which cards you might face by round 3.

True, but what I was meaning is as long as you can remember what was discarded you can often figure out fairly safely how much power hela is gonna bring into play.

I usually don't play her last round if I have not discarded enough. You always need backups.

[Lady MacBeth]

I predict that at some point they may add a card like Knull but for discard. Has total power of every card that was discarded this game. Only time will tell. Course still predictable I guess. The only time its not is with invisible woman, and she is often telling in herself since pretty much only hela discard runs her.

[Bloodartist]

Originally posted by Circurose:

Haha, cosmo?

Honestly? Go bigger. Unless the deck gets a highroll with Hela it can lose to a bunch of other decks.

If the discard deck ends up getting Hela discarded, it can win like one lane with dracula. Win the other two.

Getting Hela to work out is just RNG. I dont know of a way to make it work reliably although I dont have ghost rider yet. I bought Hela with tokens and I was sorely disappointed. The discard deck is in like bottom half of my decks. Hela is mostly junk.

ps. Remember folks, Shang-chi will never hit Dracula since Dracula happens after all the on-reveals.

[VastGirth]

Originally posted by Blind Reverend:

Originally posted by Ming:

But hela discard isn't even very good. Its tier 4 at best. Yeah you will win a game here and there. But its not a deck that is gonna get you alot of cubes. There is no surprise factor, everything thats going to happen is played out clearly to your opponent. So they either smash you cause they know they got it beat, or they leave and you get 1 cube.

There is no suprise factor with any discard deck. It is very obvious which cards you might face by round 3.

Tbh there is no surprise factor in 90% of the decks i play against. You pretty much know whats coming from after the first few cards.

[.VM8RA]

Cosmo and Leech probably.

Play Wave into Leech on 4, shut down their deck.

[Syncourt]

Originally posted by VastGirth:

Tbh there is no surprise factor in 90% of the decks i play against. You pretty much know whats coming from after the first few cards.

That's either pool 2 or maybe late 3 where everybody plays full decks.

Mid pool 3 you can never know anything for certain. People often don't have full decks and the cards they play at the end can come straight out of left field.

I had somebody play Infinaut from a destroy deck today. That was a massive WTF moment lol.

[Syncourt]

Originally posted by Circurose:

What's the counter to discard deck

Retreat.

Seriously though. Their biggest counter is themselves. They mostly rely entirely on hela to spam power in to every lane and if drac is in play, watch out for the apoc discards.

Just don't fall for the snap on turn 5-6 from a discard deck and if one ever snaps early , watch to see if they discard hela by turn 6. If not, retreat before the end.

Just don't let them get 4/8 cubes. Make them waste their time on 1/2 point victories.

If you build to counter them they will usually overpower your cards anyway, because cards that discard stupidly get above average power due the 'discard penalty' - that is actually a benefit in pool 3+ that allows them to play free and powerful cards in unpredictable locations with their hela decks.

Meanwhile cards that focus on countering it are really weak and against discard decks generally rely on luck. Luck that you can't even see if the play failed until it's too late.

[Tray]

Originally posted by .VM8RA:

Cosmo and Leech probably.

Play Wave into Leech on 4, shut down their deck.

Wave, they play a big boy on turn 4 vs your 3 power leach.

Your leach just let them play infinait on 6.

Most discard cards are great for power vs cost because of the "downside".

You are going to throw about every game wave leaching against discard.

Cosmo, enchantress, or rogue can hard counter them if played at the right time.

[d_j_blackwell]

I hope to see a card that makes both players shuffle (not discard) and redraw that many cards. A wrench in game plans without being a full counter to anything.