I suspect that a bot is pretending to be an Arishem player.

[Dermovate91]

Within three hours, my opponent played ALIOTH on the fifth turn, perfectly disrupting my combo. DOOM2099 could team up with DOOM, and I accidentally played Juggernaut, while my opponent "coincidentally" placed HUMANTORCH and VULTURE exactly in that spot.

In this kind of situation, where the opponent seems to know my moves in advance and always has the perfect cards, isn't it basically cheating? Can such cases be reported?

[Dermovate91]

*within three hours, I encountered three instances where the opponent played ALIOTH on the fifth turn.

[Doovies]

There are bots that know what cards you play, but they don't use that to their advantage. They only take into consideration the power and the locations you play cards. The card abilities and archetypes aren't factored in.

There are no bots that base their plays off of your own card archetypes.

[The Yeen Queen]

Torch and Vulture could well have been a coincidence. Sensible setup for a Heim play to have them both in the same lane. Especially if there's a Bifrost location in play.

As for the Alioth, some strategies are easy to recognize and predict what your next play will be. Sucks to have a good setup countered, but it happens. Especially at high ranks where players have learned to recognize common tactics. And let's face it, DOOM 2099+DOOM is a VERY common tactic.

[groovador]

Also bots don't play arishem

[Arukādo]

That's where you're wrong guys. Arishem bots exist, there were many of them during the first Deadpool event.

[Dermovate91]

Originally posted by The Yeen Queen:

Torch and Vulture could well have been a coincidence. Sensible setup for a Heim play to have them both in the same lane. Especially if there's a Bifrost location in play.

As for the Alioth, some strategies are easy to recognize and predict what your next play will be. Sucks to have a good setup countered, but it happens. Especially at high ranks where players have learned to recognize common tactics. And let's face it, DOOM 2099+DOOM is a VERY common tactic.

The opponents I'm talking about all use Arishem decks. Arishem's ability adds 12 random cards, making it harder to draw the desired cards. Yet, these opponents seem like Yugi Muto incarnate—they always draw the exact cards they need and know exactly where I'll place mine.

I play an Arishem deck myself. When the opponent plays NOVA on the third turn, I have a high chance of not drawing SHANG-CHI or SHADOW-KING until the game ends, nor do I draw ALIOTH by the fifth turn. I wouldn't dare to hope for the Arishem deck to pull off the DOOM2099+DOOM combo either.

[BLADE]

Originally posted by groovador:

Also bots don't play arishem

JUST THIS HERE... bots don't f'n play Arishem or any pool 5 cards for that matter

[Tray]

Originally posted by BLADE:

Originally posted by groovador:

Also bots don't play arishem

JUST THIS HERE... bots don't f'n play Arishem or any pool 5 cards for that matter

I can agree that I haven't once seen an Arishem bot, but they absolutely have given bots a High Evo deck.

[Doovies]

Originally posted by Dermovate91:

Originally posted by The Yeen Queen:

Torch and Vulture could well have been a coincidence. Sensible setup for a Heim play to have them both in the same lane. Especially if there's a Bifrost location in play.

As for the Alioth, some strategies are easy to recognize and predict what your next play will be. Sucks to have a good setup countered, but it happens. Especially at high ranks where players have learned to recognize common tactics. And let's face it, DOOM 2099+DOOM is a VERY common tactic.

The opponents I'm talking about all use Arishem decks. Arishem's ability adds 12 random cards, making it harder to draw the desired cards. Yet, these opponents seem like Yugi Muto incarnate—they always draw the exact cards they need and know exactly where I'll place mine.

I play an Arishem deck myself. When the opponent plays NOVA on the third turn, I have a high chance of not drawing SHANG-CHI or SHADOW-KING until the game ends, nor do I draw ALIOTH by the fifth turn. I wouldn't dare to hope for the Arishem deck to pull off the DOOM2099+DOOM combo either.

nah this is some dunce logic. You can't win them all fam. Just take the L and continue not telling us about all the matches where you come out on top. It's confirmation bias, pure and simple.

if it's anecdotal, we ain't picking up what you're putting down.

[Dermovate91]

Originally posted by Doovies:

Originally posted by Dermovate91:

The opponents I'm talking about all use Arishem decks. Arishem's ability adds 12 random cards, making it harder to draw the desired cards. Yet, these opponents seem like Yugi Muto incarnate—they always draw the exact cards they need and know exactly where I'll place mine.

I play an Arishem deck myself. When the opponent plays NOVA on the third turn, I have a high chance of not drawing SHANG-CHI or SHADOW-KING until the game ends, nor do I draw ALIOTH by the fifth turn. I wouldn't dare to hope for the Arishem deck to pull off the DOOM2099+DOOM combo either.

nah this is some dunce logic. You can't win them all fam. Just take the L and continue not telling us about all the matches where you come out on top. It's confirmation bias, pure and simple.

if it's anecdotal, we ain't picking up what you're putting down.

It's fine if you don't believe me. Honestly, I don't find much value in what you're saying either.

[Duggo]

Originally posted by BLADE:

Originally posted by groovador:

Also bots don't play arishem

JUST THIS HERE... bots don't f'n play Arishem or any pool 5 cards for that matter

I don't know one way or the other, but I'm curious how you guys know for certain. Have the devs ever posted any info on the bots or are you just going by what you personally see in game?

[Doovies]

Originally posted by Duggo:

Originally posted by BLADE:

JUST THIS HERE... bots don't f'n play Arishem or any pool 5 cards for that matter

I don't know one way or the other, but I'm curious how you guys know for certain. Have the devs ever posted any info on the bots or are you just going by what you personally see in game?

We don't know for certain.

What we do know for certain from nvprod data, is if an opponent has scripted draws from sequenced arrays: it's viewable in JSON readable format.

Outside of the guaranteed draw (Domino, Quicksilver, etc) no opponent has sequenced draws based off of cards in their opponents decks. Or any other attribute that could be used to measure a function statement as true.

Even if this were hidden information, there would be traces of where these scripted functions are drawing information from. These aren't present either.

OP's post is baseless, without any actual evidence or investigation.

Regardless of what a bot has in their deck: they do not script their plays based on the cards in your deck and do not draw from sequenced arrays.

[Duggo]

Originally posted by Doovies:

Originally posted by Duggo:

I don't know one way or the other, but I'm curious how you guys know for certain. Have the devs ever posted any info on the bots or are you just going by what you personally see in game?

We don't know for certain.

What we do know for certain from nvprod data, is if an opponent has scripted draws from sequenced arrays: it's viewable in JSON readable format.

Outside of the guaranteed draw (Domino, Quicksilver, etc) no opponent has sequenced draws based off of cards in their opponents decks. Or any other attribute that could be used to measure a function statement as true.

Even if this were hidden information, there would be traces of where these scripted functions are drawing information from. These aren't present either.

OP's post is baseless, without any actual evidence or investigation.

Regardless of what a bot has in their deck: they do not script their plays based on the cards in your deck and do not draw from sequenced arrays.

Ah, that's interesting, I had no idea about nvprod. Thanks.

[Lagomorph]

Originally posted by Dermovate91:

Originally posted by The Yeen Queen:

Torch and Vulture could well have been a coincidence. Sensible setup for a Heim play to have them both in the same lane. Especially if there's a Bifrost location in play.

As for the Alioth, some strategies are easy to recognize and predict what your next play will be. Sucks to have a good setup countered, but it happens. Especially at high ranks where players have learned to recognize common tactics. And let's face it, DOOM 2099+DOOM is a VERY common tactic.

The opponents I'm talking about all use Arishem decks. Arishem's ability adds 12 random cards, making it harder to draw the desired cards. Yet, these opponents seem like Yugi Muto incarnate—they always draw the exact cards they need and know exactly where I'll place mine.

I play an Arishem deck myself. When the opponent plays NOVA on the third turn, I have a high chance of not drawing SHANG-CHI or SHADOW-KING until the game ends, nor do I draw ALIOTH by the fifth turn. I wouldn't dare to hope for the Arishem deck to pull off the DOOM2099+DOOM combo either.

Arishem was added to the game to make it easier to mask forced retreat/loss matches because bots could then play any card in the game needed with cover for "arishem created it"

The game became much more fixed and fake than it was before that after he released.

[groovador]

did you come digging for old threads just to show us how little you know what you're talking about