A little rant about matchmaking

[AnalBuccaneer]

infinity rank matchmaking is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

i easily got to infinity rank within the first week of the season (i've been playing for about a month, total). but now that i am infinity, i can only play against other players who are infinity.

the problem? i am on like a 30-40 game losing streak because i only have a dozen series 3 cards. even after losing 40 straight, i just played a agame vs a guy who literally had an entire deck of series 3+ cards (none of which i actually own).

my best deck is destroy, but i am still missing key cards that will make it twice as good (so i'll even lose mirror matches).

outisde of that, i'd be lucky to get 20 power in more than 1 location... and yet i'm playing opponent after opponent who are at least series-3 complete (or close to it)... which is like 2500CL higher than where i am currently at.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Mr. Naranjas]

I recommend you play other archetip like control deck or devil dino, you can easly make decks with pool 2 cards and can win in high infinit rank

[thefollowingcharacters]

So you're saying that because you cheesed the ranking system and bum rushed it before top players could get higher to stop you, they're not high enough to stop you?

[Blind Reverend]

Don't worry, once you have more cards in your collection you will hit the competition wall before reaching infinity.

[El Psy Kongroo]

Reaching infinity is itself an accomplishment, I suggest that you don't grind ladder now and play some conquest matches for a change or just play it casually.

[SILENCE UK]

you ground bots to infinite. now no bots to farm = sad . welcome to the real game

[laveley]

Like already said, you clearly don't belong to infinite rank anyways. Next month you will face real people (not bots) before reaching that rank and will get stomped much earlier;)

[AnalBuccaneer]

i didn't realize i'd hit the salt mother load by saying how easily i got infinity... suck it nerds.

i should post my deck i used to get it... literally random cards i needed boosters for.

Originally posted by thefollowingcharacters:

So you're saying that because you cheesed the ranking system and bum rushed it before top players could get higher to stop you, they're not high enough to stop you?

i've only been playing this game for a month, but you obviously don't understand the mechanics of the matchmaking system.

Originally posted by Blind Reverend:

Don't worry, once you have more cards in your collection you will hit the competition wall before reaching infinity.

that is the exact problem with the current post-infinity matchmaking system... it only works if you have enough cards to build at least 1 competitive deck.

Originally posted by Gazzor:

Reaching infinity is itself an accomplishment, I suggest that you don't grind ladder now and play some conquest matches for a change or just play it casually.

playing it casually is what got me into this mess... conquest matchmaking still seems to be fair.

Originally posted by SILENCE UK:

you ground bots to infinite. now no bots to farm = sad . welcome to the real game

if that is indeed what happened, how is that my problem? its kind of like victim blaming, isnt it? the game has flaws, and when i speaks to those flaws, its my fault?

i understand you are trying to be witty, but i doubt the real game is playing against players that have a huge advantage over you, and you keep getting matched with them no matter how many times you lose in a row... because your MMR got locked when you hit infinity from a completely different matchmaking system. i doubt thats intended to be "the real game".

Originally posted by laveley:

Like already said, you clearly don't belong to infinite rank anyways. Next month you will face real people (not bots) before reaching that rank and will get stomped much earlier;)

you think there will be that big of a difference in pre-infinity matchmaking between 800cl matchmaking and 1400cl matchmaking?

Originally posted by Death Caster:

after infinite its all mmr based matchmaking (skill based).

the problem is that they lock your MMR when you accomplish infinity.

i've only just started playing this game but it seems to me that they started locking MMR because players would go on a losing streak after accomplishing infinity. but when they implemented this separate post-infinity cube and ladder system, it seems like they forgot to stop locking everyone's MMR? i started the ladder at 20,000. i'm now down to 60,000 and i'm still getting matched with people in the top 5000. wouldn't it make more sense if post-infinity matchmaking was based off your ladder rank, rather than this arbitrary MMR they locked you into based off a completely different system?

[laveley]

Originally posted by AnalBuccaneer:

Originally posted by laveley:

Like already said, you clearly don't belong to infinite rank anyways. Next month you will face real people (not bots) before reaching that rank and will get stomped much earlier;)

you think there will be that big of a difference in pre-infinity matchmaking between 800cl matchmaking and 1400cl matchmaking?

That's not what I think, thats a fact.

At low CL level (like yours) there's a "protection" that makes you face only other low CL players. Since there's few low CL players you will face mostly bots (dumb bots).

Reaching infinite at lo cl is thus very easy right now.

Once you reach infinite, that protection is lifted regardless of your cl. You than start to face other real players.

Once you reach that threshold of low CL protection (that you should reach in the next month or so) you will start to face mostly players instead of bots across all ranks.

Not that reaching infinite is hard regardless. But seeing you are getting stomped right now like you said yourself, hopes are not high unless you severely improve your gameplay.

[AnalBuccaneer]

Originally posted by laveley:

That's not what I think, thats a fact.

At low CL level (like yours) there's a "protection" that makes you face only other low CL players. Since there's few low CL players you will face mostly bots (dumb bots).

Reaching infinite at lo cl is thus very easy right now.

Once you reach infinite, that protection is lifted regardless of your cl. You than start to face other real players.

Once you reach that threshold of low CL protection (that you should reach in the next month or so) you will start to face mostly players instead of bots across all ranks.

Not that reaching infinite is hard regardless. But seeing you are getting stomped right now like you said yourself, hopes are not high unless you severely improve your gameplay.

we are kind of saying the same thing, you just look at it backwards, oddly.

theres no "protection" for lower CL players. the matchmaking system just takes CL into account for pre-infinite matches. when you join post-infinite, CL is not taken into account. also, when you join post-infinite, they lock your MMR so that no matter how many losses in a row you have, you will still have the same MMR.

i read somewhere they take ladder placement into account, but i'm 60,000 now and am still routinely giving free cubes to 5000+ players.

so the equation look like: CL + (MMR +/- match result)
then when you hit infinity they stop factoring CL and also lock your MMR, so it turns the equation into 'not an equation at all'... its just an unchanging number: MMR

no amount of "get gud" is going to give me any better odds with my series 2 deck vs the top 20,000 players. and no matter how many times i lose, i am still going to be matching vs the same people.

^that is the problem. it's a flawed system. i think the fix is to just stop freezing MMR when people hit infinite, since they wont be matched with pre-infinite players anyways. or, just do matchmaking based solely on ladder placement, which how it always should have been. why call it a ladder if everyone is on individual ladders, stuck on an arbitrary rungs?

[Leah]

Originally posted by AnalBuccaneer:

infinity rank matchmaking is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

i easily got to infinity rank within the first week of the season (i've been playing for about a month, total). but now that i am infinity, i can only play against other players who are infinity.

the problem? i am on like a 30-40 game losing streak because i only have a dozen series 3 cards. even after losing 40 straight, i just played a agame vs a guy who literally had an entire deck of series 3+ cards (none of which i actually own).

my best deck is destroy, but i am still missing key cards that will make it twice as good (so i'll even lose mirror matches).

outisde of that, i'd be lucky to get 20 power in more than 1 location... and yet i'm playing opponent after opponent who are at least series-3 complete (or close to it)... which is like 2500CL higher than where i am currently at.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Yeah I have 40 hours total (I fell asleep a few times playing) before I very easily hit infinity rank through casual gameplay. Every game is filled with cards I will not get for who knows how long. I have devil dinosaur, hulk, white queen, spiderwoman. They have cards that invalidate everything... They play 0 cards til they play Wave, play galactus, black panther and end the game with alioth so I have no chance of winning. I still don't have so many cards. I probably have 10% of the total cards in the game.

[Tray]

Originally posted by AnalBuccaneer:

Originally posted by laveley:

That's not what I think, thats a fact.

At low CL level (like yours) there's a "protection" that makes you face only other low CL players. Since there's few low CL players you will face mostly bots (dumb bots).

Reaching infinite at lo cl is thus very easy right now.

Once you reach infinite, that protection is lifted regardless of your cl. You than start to face other real players.

Once you reach that threshold of low CL protection (that you should reach in the next month or so) you will start to face mostly players instead of bots across all ranks.

Not that reaching infinite is hard regardless. But seeing you are getting stomped right now like you said yourself, hopes are not high unless you severely improve your gameplay.

we are kind of saying the same thing, you just look at it backwards, oddly.

theres no "protection" for lower CL players. the matchmaking system just takes CL into account for pre-infinite matches. when you join post-infinite, CL is not taken into account. also, when you join post-infinite, they lock your MMR so that no matter how many losses in a row you have, you will still have the same MMR.

i read somewhere they take ladder placement into account, but i'm 60,000 now and am still routinely giving free cubes to 5000+ players.

so the equation look like: CL + (MMR +/- match result)
then when you hit infinity they stop factoring CL and also lock your MMR, so it turns the equation into 'not an equation at all'... its just an unchanging number: MMR

no amount of "get gud" is going to give me any better odds with my series 2 deck vs the top 20,000 players. and no matter how many times i lose, i am still going to be matching vs the same people.

^that is the problem. it's a flawed system. i think the fix is to just stop freezing MMR when people hit infinite, since they wont be matched with pre-infinite players anyways. or, just do matchmaking based solely on ladder placement, which how it always should have been. why call it a ladder if everyone is on individual ladders, stuck on an arbitrary rungs?

MMR floor is frozen it will still go up. It's goal is to stop people from tanking their mmr for an easier climb next season.

The Ladder for tangible rewards is 0-100, and the system HEAVILY protects new players.

Anything above that is bragging rights. It is supposed to be the best players with the best decks. You shouldn't be able to compete for top placement as a new player with limited resources.

The difference between 5,000 - 60,000 is a lot smaller then you think it is. You can jump hundreds of spots with a single 2 cube win.

Your last statement makes no sense. Everyone is on the same post infinite ladder outside of the server they are playing on.

Conquest is still there to give you CL matchmaking.

When I started playing once your rank got high enough you could still actually match infinite players when you were still trying to make it there. You should be ecstatic they literally give all of the rewards away to any half decent player these days.

[AnalBuccaneer]

Originally posted by Tray:

Originally posted by AnalBuccaneer:

we are kind of saying the same thing, you just look at it backwards, oddly.

theres no "protection" for lower CL players. the matchmaking system just takes CL into account for pre-infinite matches. when you join post-infinite, CL is not taken into account. also, when you join post-infinite, they lock your MMR so that no matter how many losses in a row you have, you will still have the same MMR.

i read somewhere they take ladder placement into account, but i'm 60,000 now and am still routinely giving free cubes to 5000+ players.

so the equation look like: CL + (MMR +/- match result)
then when you hit infinity they stop factoring CL and also lock your MMR, so it turns the equation into 'not an equation at all'... its just an unchanging number: MMR

no amount of "get gud" is going to give me any better odds with my series 2 deck vs the top 20,000 players. and no matter how many times i lose, i am still going to be matching vs the same people.

^that is the problem. it's a flawed system. i think the fix is to just stop freezing MMR when people hit infinite, since they wont be matched with pre-infinite players anyways. or, just do matchmaking based solely on ladder placement, which how it always should have been. why call it a ladder if everyone is on individual ladders, stuck on an arbitrary rungs?

MMR floor is frozen it will still go up. It's goal is to stop people from tanking their mmr for an easier climb next season.

The Ladder for tangible rewards is 0-100, and the system HEAVILY protects new players.

Anything above that is bragging rights. It is supposed to be the best players with the best decks. You shouldn't be able to compete for top placement as a new player with limited resources.

The difference between 5,000 - 60,000 is a lot smaller then you think it is. You can jump hundreds of spots with a single 2 cube win.

Your last statement makes no sense. Everyone is on the same post infinite ladder outside of the server they are playing on.

Conquest is still there to give you CL matchmaking.

When I started playing once your rank got high enough you could still actually match infinite players when you were still trying to make it there. You should be ecstatic they literally give all of the rewards away to any half decent player these days.

you dont seem to be very good at critically thinking. you seem to be confusing "how it's suppose to be" and "how it is"

yes, the devs SAY they freeze MMR to protect new players. but freezing infinity players MMR doesnt actually protect new players because new players reach infinity too, and their MMR is frozen too.

i learned real quick, it doesn't matter how many games i lose in a row, i am still being matched vs the same people. that means i am being matched based off my MMR (which is frozen) and not off my ladder placement (which is what it should be).

and the difference between 22,000 and 60,500 is about 500 rounds of agatha. i'd imagine it's a bell curve... when you're in the middle (at the peak) a 1 or 2 cube difference changes your placement by hundreds. when you are on the ends, it takes much more.

matchmaking works just fine in conquest and pre-infinity... its just post-infinity that's messed up. the frustrating part is, post-infinity should be the easiest! you just match people based on their ladder rank. the person at the top of the ladder isn't actually the best player. he's just the guy who has grinded out .6 cubes per minute for the longest. it's nothing like MMR in chess.

freezing peoples MMR wouldnt even be a problem if the matchmaking system just used peoples ladder placement and ignored their MMR.

[AnalBuccaneer]

Originally posted by Leah:

Yeah I have 40 hours total (I fell asleep a few times playing) before I very easily hit infinity rank through casual gameplay. Every game is filled with cards I will not get for who knows how long. I have devil dinosaur, hulk, white queen, spiderwoman. They have cards that invalidate everything... They play 0 cards til they play Wave, play galactus, black panther and end the game with alioth so I have no chance of winning. I still don't have so many cards. I probably have 10% of the total cards in the game.

amen

[Tray]

Originally posted by AnalBuccaneer:

Originally posted by Tray:

MMR floor is frozen it will still go up. It's goal is to stop people from tanking their mmr for an easier climb next season.

The Ladder for tangible rewards is 0-100, and the system HEAVILY protects new players.

Anything above that is bragging rights. It is supposed to be the best players with the best decks. You shouldn't be able to compete for top placement as a new player with limited resources.

The difference between 5,000 - 60,000 is a lot smaller then you think it is. You can jump hundreds of spots with a single 2 cube win.

Your last statement makes no sense. Everyone is on the same post infinite ladder outside of the server they are playing on.

Conquest is still there to give you CL matchmaking.

When I started playing once your rank got high enough you could still actually match infinite players when you were still trying to make it there. You should be ecstatic they literally give all of the rewards away to any half decent player these days.

you dont seem to be very good at critically thinking. you seem to be confusing "how it's suppose to be" and "how it is"

yes, the devs SAY they freeze MMR to protect new players. but freezing infinity players MMR doesnt actually protect new players because new players reach infinity too, and their MMR is frozen too.

i learned real quick, it doesn't matter how many games i lose in a row, i am still being matched vs the same people. that means i am being matched based off my MMR (which is frozen) and not off my ladder placement (which is what it should be).

and the difference between 22,000 and 60,500 is about 500 rounds of agatha. i'd imagine it's a bell curve... when you're in the middle (at the peak) a 1 or 2 cube difference changes your placement by hundreds. when you are on the ends, it takes much more.

matchmaking works just fine in conquest and pre-infinity... its just post-infinity that's messed up. the frustrating part is, post-infinity should be the easiest! you just match people based on their ladder rank. the person at the top of the ladder isn't actually the best player. he's just the guy who has grinded out .6 cubes per minute for the longest. it's nothing like MMR in chess.

freezing peoples MMR wouldnt even be a problem if the matchmaking system just used peoples ladder placement and ignored their MMR.

Again the FLOOR MMR is snapshot upon hitting infinite, if players are good they will keep going UP, if they aren't they will struggle against the literal worst players who manage to hit infinite. This freeze has no impact whatsoever in producing unfair matches like you are whining about, it literally does the opposite.

Again since you made the same errors after being corrected, only the FLOOR is snapshot.

If this didn't exist you would be on this forum whining about how you can't break level 50 instead.

Now the matchmaking that you think is fine.

Matchmaking pre infinite and early conquest for new players is literally giving baby his baba difficulty mode. You are flooded playing 99% pity bots or brand new players giving you the impression that you are better then you actually are.

You are facing the same people because they are also not climbing, it's not because of this imaginary box you think you are "frozen" in.

You cheesed the ladder system and are now getting your ♥♥♥♥ slapped because of it.

That's about all the effort your going to get out of me though, Its pretty clear that you want to cry about your problems rather then learn anything.

[laveley]

Originally posted by Tray:

You cheesed the ladder system and are now getting your ♥♥♥♥ slapped because of it.

Pretty much this. I tried to explain, but whatever....