Pay-To-Win

[TheKingBoggart]

The game is pay-to-win. The new cards are locked behind a battle pass, if you don't buy the battle pass you have to wait to get the new cards. Not having all cards available to you makes it pay to win.

I understand it will take time to unlock all cards...That's a common TCG thing, but the moment you decide not to buy the battle pass you have cards that you can't unlock for a time period no matter how you grind. That's pay to win.

Overall the game is fun - and not super predatory, but it is a pay-to-win game.

I hope they decide to just give the base copy of the new cards away each season.
Having the battle pass as a cool way to get card skins.

[Jack_Burton]

This game is not Pay to Win.

The decks I mostly play all run cards I got normally through collection progression, not the pass. Miles Morales is the only card I use that I got in a season pass, if I'm in the mood for a movement deck.

I've also drawn several variants of cards that are in the pass, including the current pass.

[Jack_Burton]

Also, the cards are classified in pools as far as how you get matched with an opponent. Pretty sure the passes have only had pool 1 cards, not the higher pool cards.

*Update* - Spiderwoman and Carnage are Pool 1. Real easy to get. Okoye and Nakia are Pool 2 - also easy to get. Not sure where Miles and BP sit in the pool.

[One]

Originally posted by TheKingBoggart:

The game is pay-to-win. The new cards are locked behind a battle pass, if you don't buy the battle pass you have to wait to get the new cards. Not having all cards available to you makes it pay to win.

I understand it will take time to unlock all cards...That's a common TCG thing, but the moment you decide not to buy the battle pass you have cards that you can't unlock for a time period no matter how you grind. That's pay to win.

Overall the game is fun - and not super predatory, but it is a pay-to-win game.

I hope they decide to just give the base copy of the new cards away each season.
Having the battle pass as a cool way to get card skins.

its literally not pay to win, its pay to access something early, this is so far from pay to win, all this post is doing is scaring away new players which is entirely a negative thing. This game allows you to progress at a more than decent rate fully f2p

[WastingSanity]

Originally posted by One:

Originally posted by TheKingBoggart:

The game is pay-to-win. The new cards are locked behind a battle pass, if you don't buy the battle pass you have to wait to get the new cards. Not having all cards available to you makes it pay to win.

I understand it will take time to unlock all cards...That's a common TCG thing, but the moment you decide not to buy the battle pass you have cards that you can't unlock for a time period no matter how you grind. That's pay to win.

Overall the game is fun - and not super predatory, but it is a pay-to-win game.

I hope they decide to just give the base copy of the new cards away each season.
Having the battle pass as a cool way to get card skins.

its literally not pay to win, its pay to access something early, this is so far from pay to win, all this post is doing is scaring away new players which is entirely a negative thing. This game allows you to progress at a more than decent rate fully f2p

So you are saying that the Collection Level will eventually unlock the card that is offered behind a pay wall in the season pass?

Also progression slows quite a bit at a certain point, especially if you focus on certain cards that are your favorite. It is better to spread out leveling up your cards look in order to acquire more progression. I thought that players would gain more slots at higher rarities for the cards, but that isn't the case. If you have a ton of common cards, you gain more progression by leveling those than by leveling a Legendary card and it is cheaper.

Also, if the card is free later the game gives the illusion that a card is locked behind a pay wall.

[Blind Reverend]

You get one pool-3 card from the season pass, that is put into pool-3 two or three months later (don't know exactly).
So you get anything, but it takes more time and it is luck based how fast you get that card outside of the pass.

[Jack_Burton]

Originally posted by WastingSanity:

Originally posted by One:

its literally not pay to win, its pay to access something early, this is so far from pay to win, all this post is doing is scaring away new players which is entirely a negative thing. This game allows you to progress at a more than decent rate fully f2p

So you are saying that the Collection Level will eventually unlock the card that is offered behind a pay wall in the season pass?

Also progression slows quite a bit at a certain point, especially if you focus on certain cards that are your favorite. It is better to spread out leveling up your cards look in order to acquire more progression. I thought that players would gain more slots at higher rarities for the cards, but that isn't the case. If you have a ton of common cards, you gain more progression by leveling those than by leveling a Legendary card and it is cheaper.

Also, if the card is free later the game gives the illusion that a card is locked behind a pay wall.

Yes you will eventually unlock all characters through the progression level.

And yeah you do gain collection levels at a better credit cost if you first level all your common cards to uncommon:

common -> uncommon = 1 collection pt for 25 credits
uncommon -> rare = 2 collection pts for 100 credits (50 credits per point)

Each level further will grant collection pts at a 50 credit per point average
Ex. Infinity gives 10 collection points for 500 credits

[Jack_Burton]

Originally posted by Blind Reverend:

You get one pool-3 card from the season pass, that is put into pool-3 two or three months later (don't know exactly).
So you get anything, but it takes more time and it is luck based how fast you get that card outside of the pass.

True. And you unlock a variant of that card immediately at level 1 with the pass.
Season 1 - Miles Morales
Season 2 - Black Panther

The pass also includes variants for two other cards from pool 1 and 2. I actually pulled them already before I've unlocked them in the pass.

[Jack_Burton]

Also, the pass gives you gold, upgrade currency, credits, etc. The entire package is a great deal for $9.99. And its easy to level with the challenge system.

Pay wall? More like small speed bump you don't even have to slow down for lol.

[WastingSanity]

Originally posted by Jack_Burton:

Also, the pass gives you gold, upgrade currency, credits, etc. The entire package is a great deal for $9.99. And its easy to level with the challenge system.

Pay wall? More like small speed bump you don't even have to slow down for lol.

I started playing late in the last season, how long does the season pass last?

[VonFIDDE]

It is p2w, but at the same time it's so heavy rng that nothing special will be made with this ccg anyway. It's casual fun, for the common and for the whales. Grind for a year and you can get the deck you want, get bored within a week and then grind another year.

[Jack_Burton]

Originally posted by VonFIDDE:

It is p2w, but at the same time it's so heavy rng that nothing special will be made with this ccg anyway. It's casual fun, for the common and for the whales. Grind for a year and you can get the deck you want, get bored within a week and then grind another year.

its not P2W. Period. No more P2W than any other TCG ever. You can play strictly free and win plenty of matches, get plenty of cards that will make perfectly viable decks.

You will only be playing against players at your collection level. So who cares?

If you want to get the absolute top shelf decks, sure you're in for a long grind that you'll likely have to spend money to short cut. Again...same as any TCG.

[Jack_Burton]

Originally posted by WastingSanity:

Originally posted by Jack_Burton:

Also, the pass gives you gold, upgrade currency, credits, etc. The entire package is a great deal for $9.99. And its easy to level with the challenge system.

Pay wall? More like small speed bump you don't even have to slow down for lol.

I started playing late in the last season, how long does the season pass last?

I did too. Looks like a season lasts a month. You get 4 sets of weekly challenges that unlock each week.

Because i started on the final week last season, I had almost all challenges available. I ran right through the intro pass for Blue Marvel, then through season 1 past level 50. lol. It sort of raises the point that the final week is the best week to make a run at the pass.

[Dregora]

p2w implies you're at a disadvantage power wise and that you cannot get it through normal means. Although you have to wait, you can get them later for free and not only that, they're far from OP to the point i'd consider it p2w. Not even close.

[WastingSanity]

Originally posted by Jack_Burton:

You will only be playing against players at your collection level. So who cares?

This is not the case. I was playing against discard decks with Apocalypse before I was even close to having him. I do believe it is based on your rank. So I wouldn't be surprised if I played against someone with a CL that was twice mine, it is possible that a whale with a collection twice the size of mine becomes matched against me. If they are spending money and winning as much as I am, they can easily out pace my collection.

Originally posted by Dregora:

p2w implies you're at a disadvantage power wise and that you cannot get it through normal means. Although you have to wait, you can get them later for free and not only that, they're far from OP to the point i'd consider it p2w. Not even close.

Since acquiring cards is on a linear path through Collection Level, players that do not spend money are automatically at a disadvantage. When the developer adds new cards to the game, those cards are going to be at the top or through the pay wall. My CL is current 424. I am trying to find the top of the CL and right now I am in the 14k range. It keeps going.

I am in the 11 thousands now, I think the CL is unlimited and that once you hit the Collector Reserve boxes that is when the player will either get a new card or acquire resources if none are available. Unless it happens when players hit Collector's Cache, which is 506. That means that I should be getting the pay wall cards soon. We'll see.

[Dregora]

Originally posted by WastingSanity:

Originally posted by Jack_Burton:

You will only be playing against players at your collection level. So who cares?

This is not the case. I was playing against discard decks with Apocalypse before I was even close to having him. I do believe it is based on your rank. So I wouldn't be surprised if I played against someone with a CL that was twice mine, it is possible that a whale with a collection twice the size of mine becomes matched against me. If they are spending money and winning as much as I am, they can easily out pace my collection.

Originally posted by Dregora:

p2w implies you're at a disadvantage power wise and that you cannot get it through normal means. Although you have to wait, you can get them later for free and not only that, they're far from OP to the point i'd consider it p2w. Not even close.

Since acquiring cards is on a linear path through Collection Level, players that do not spend money are automatically at a disadvantage. When the developer adds new cards to the game, those cards are going to be at the top or through the pay wall. My CL is current 424. I am trying to find the top of the CL and right now I am in the 14k range. It keeps going.

I am in the 11 thousands now, I think the CL is unlimited and that once you hit the Collector Reserve boxes that is when the player will either get a new card or acquire resources if none are available. Unless it happens when players hit Collector's Cache, which is 506. That means that I should be getting the pay wall cards soon. We'll see.

That's still not p2w and it's irritating to see the whole p2w meaning stripped to how it's being used. CL is unlimited, as you said. I also think ''disadvantage'' is a word we can take in different ways. People that do not pay, are not at a disadvantage in terms of deck builds or power. If they were, then it would imply that ther are cards that without it you'll never be able to win. This is false, there are no such cards. Most cards compliment certain decks sure, but I do not think that's p2w inherently.

There's not a single card in the game that means a guaranteed lose that's in pool 3 ever since the game started. To me, that's the definition of p2w. The point where you can acquire something with real money you can't get otherwise that is so substantially more powerful than what f2p players have access to, at that point you're paying for more power over your fellow f2p players.