TOP 5 TOXIC CARDS

[kingts]

I don't mean poison. A very simple question to YOU.
Statistically I know each card, but you, what do YOU say, now you have to your chance to answer, what are the top 5 most aggravating, toxic cards you see now in the game.
Cards you tired of seeing, that ruin your fun play or feel is damaging the meta.
"I hate that card!"' time people.

Very simple

TOP FIVE TOXIC CARDS IN MARVEL SNAP

You can add why, and what would YOU do to change them, but keep in mind this is a civil discussion. Stay on topic please and try not to attack one another.

I will stay out of my list. YOU do YOU. peace

[SeokCruz]

1.Death
2.Red Guardian
3.Rogue
4.knull
5.Shang chi

[Dodon]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingts:

For example-Arishem is an RNG machine. Its not the structure of the card or idea of it that people take issue, but its execution. Whether players feel the extra energy, or allowing too many outs for an advanced BOT, not cheat bot, to have that the players cannot see, even if they know every card out for that play. It also allows those who play Arishem a full board of the entire collection to choose from that normally you would not have.

Remember I did say this...
"You can add why, and what would YOU do to change them, but keep in mind this is a civil discussion. Stay on topic please and try not to attack one another."

I'm sure Second Dinner would say "the fun that comes from Arishem is that he gives you a random deck" (similar wording to what they said about Loki giving you as many of the opponent's cards as possible) so if people really want a random deck before we finally get a draft mode, just let Arishem replace their deck with 12 random cards. No extra energy. No built-in tech cards like Shang-Chi, no synergy like Quinjet or Loki unless you just happen to get them out of every card in the game.

...and then after we get a draft mode, they can change him into... something else entirely, I don't know.

[kingts]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Dodon:

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingts:

For example-Arishem is an RNG machine. Its not the structure of the card or idea of it that people take issue, but its execution. Whether players feel the extra energy, or allowing too many outs for an advanced BOT, not cheat bot, to have that the players cannot see, even if they know every card out for that play. It also allows those who play Arishem a full board of the entire collection to choose from that normally you would not have.

Remember I did say this...
"You can add why, and what would YOU do to change them, but keep in mind this is a civil discussion. Stay on topic please and try not to attack one another."

I'm sure Second Dinner would say "the fun that comes from Arishem is that he gives you a random deck" (similar wording to what they said about Loki giving you as many of the opponent's cards as possible) so if people really want a random deck before we finally get a draft mode, just let Arishem replace their deck with 12 random cards. No extra energy. No built-in tech cards like Shang-Chi, no synergy like Quinjet or Loki unless you just happen to get them out of every card in the game.

...and then after we get a draft mode, they can change him into... something else entirely, I don't know.

Well that is the thing on game designing, card creating. You look at the pluses and minuses within your parallel line analytical data and not only do you have to consider how the card works within that construct, but also how the overall concept works as a whole.
As I said I left the fun discussion up to you all. Its one thing to list the toxic card, and most can understand why, but some can be a necessity to your construct. Sometimes a card on a toxic list is your just sick of it, and most of the time is not having ANY barrier against you. People do not like to lose. In my one example, and it was just one.
People do understand what Arishem does, what it benefits, what it does not.
To me it simply gives a players a broad spectrum of the entire card base, a ton of outs.

Arishem statistically has 34.8% chance to generate a card that had started in your deck. On average you will draw 4.5 random cards per game. Odds for generating then drawing a second copy of a specific card is 1.60%. Your opponent may or may not be able to play this card. When you look at this card, like High Evolutionary, its not the card itself, for both operate around 50% when drawn. Its the "Theme" of the deck constructs that you must look at the statistics of. So when you have deck themes operating around 58.9%-66.4% win rates, solid cube shares, was that your intent when creating the card.
It goes to the flaw of 'gacha' card creation, for the purpose of creating TEST cards is money. You want instant impact for revenue. Then you try to balance it after and that is what can get you into trouble.

Again, all fine toxic lists of cards. I merely pointed out as I submit the list for you all. That simply venting that a card is toxic is not enough, but not everyone is a card game designer.

I have no issue with anyone's take.

[kingts]

My youngest teens 5 most toxic cards. The Baby description is her variant. She is not an expert, just plays with her friends.

1. Spider-ham- Just ruins my day. It's so mean.
2. Baby Galactus- Never a nice feeling
3. US Agent - blah
4. Hela - not fair
5. Arishem -double boo

There ya go, my little one's five. Kept my promise.

[Hero of the Imperium]

actually yes I would like to replace Red Guardian with Spider-Ham as my 5th pick for anti-fun ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in my hand scumbaggery.

[Lazydrones]

Toxic? I'd say cards that are so brainless people rely on them to win.

For most reasons, no skill cards that are easily defeated by cheap-o cards but people are still so dependent on them they don't require much explanation.

Galactus... you know it happens to you on occasion. Absolute toxic if anything is toxic it is at the top of the chart of toxicity

Shang-Chi - I mean sure the excuse is to counter those high power cards / combos.. excuses excuses and I don't even play that many high power cards he can counter - he really need to be be changed to reduce power by half or something of the sort

Wong - anything combo'd with Wong is toxic because ... you know why

Arnim Zola - obvious reasons again. no skill easily countered but so many people play it

Gambit can be toxic if combo'd correctly, I mean the ability to destroy 5 or 6 cards in a match is beyond toxic (pair it with Wong / Odin / Absorbing Man)
--- Gambit should be changed to an activate card

I would argue Black Panther, but he's pretty useless without one of the two above

[Zlehtnoba]

I don'really dislike any cards, but there are some I don't want to play against.

Top of the list is Hazmat. Next up is Gambit, then Iceman. Wong comes next, agree with lazydrones there. And that's it.

[webmetalreese]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Wipkonijntje:

1: gambit
2: gambit + scorn / swarm / apocalyps
3: gambit + scorn / swarm / apocalyps on a wong location
4: gambit + scorn / swarm / apocalyps on a wong location followed by odin
5: gambit + scorn / swarm / apocalyps on a wong + echo location followed by odin

THIS

[kingts]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zlehtnoba:

I don'really dislike any cards, but there are some I don't want to play against.

Top of the list is Hazmat. Next up is Gambit, then Iceman. Wong comes next, agree with lazydrones there. And that's it.

You dislike some, admit it!...Darn you Galacta! Bite me Goblin!

[Zlehtnoba]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingts:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zlehtnoba:

I don'really dislike any cards, but there are some I don't want to play against.

Top of the list is Hazmat. Next up is Gambit, then Iceman. Wong comes next, agree with lazydrones there. And that's it.

You dislike some, admit it!...Darn you Galacta! Bite me Goblin! :steamdeadpan:

You got me there. But really, I suspect we just hate losing, and transfer that to cards we lose against. Could be any card, really. For some, it's Shang. For others, Hela or Galactus. Wait, I lost to Sera/Surfer AGAIN? God I hate that card!

[Boop]

1.Wong/mystique
2. Doom 2099
3.Leader
4.Galactus *just annoying
5.Killmonger *same

[False Prophet]

I love how these threads just show how bad people are at understanding necessary mechanics in card games. half the listed cards are tech cards that can be worked around but people just want to be super greedy

[kingts]

Ursprungligen skrivet av False Prophet:

I love how these threads just show how bad people are at understanding necessary mechanics in card games. half the listed cards are tech cards that can be worked around but people just want to be super greedy

False, there is no need to slam players in defense of a game that needs no defense. Let's stay on topic. You can post what 5 cards you wish to post or not, but let's steer away from insulting players. I am sure there are five cards that annoy you. IT does not have to some serious thing. All in fun. Peace

[False Prophet]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingts:

Ursprungligen skrivet av False Prophet:

I love how these threads just show how bad people are at understanding necessary mechanics in card games. half the listed cards are tech cards that can be worked around but people just want to be super greedy

False, there is no need to slam players in defense of a game that needs no defense. Let's stay on topic. You can post what 5 cards you wish to post or not, but let's steer away from insulting players. I am sure there are five cards that annoy you. IT does not have to some serious thing. All in fun. Peace :dwarven:

You're correct I could be more diplomatic, but no matter how many times i have tried to explain the reason they exist people still just want to complain. Saying that shang or shadow king is OP is basically saying you want no repercussions for your play style and all decks should be "who can make bigger number." There are options to tech against them such as cosmo or armor and mystique if you really want coverage.

anyway here are my personal 5 with reasoning

1. Dracula- No matter what you do you are going to most likely lose that lane due to the power scaling of apoc unless you are running specifically red guardian.

2. Cable- Mill in general is super toxic and not knowing what you lost is too good for a 2 cost imo. Especially since you could be feeding into that card all game. (such as knull/death with destroy)

3. Grand Master- Brilliant card, but super toxic none the less. doubling the value of tech cards or amazing on reveals is fantastic, but I always have a hard time predicting when he is going to pop up.

4. Cassandra Nova- The power delta for a 3 cost is inane. Creating something on average like a 10 to 12 power rift is nuts even more so if you are thanos or arishem

5. Mocking bird- its an easier death. its just such insane value as a card. with a 56% win rate on play, only reason she is lower is because her play rate isnt high right now.

[Zlehtnoba]

I'm not up to speed on these modern words, but I'm pretty sure toxic and too powerful don't mean the same. There was a time when Galactus was the perfect example. Recently, it was Hela. This is my personal opinion, but I want to play cards and interact with opponent, and decks that do nothing but drop two cards the whole game annoy me. Which is what I take toxic to mean, not fun to play against, not necessarily too powerful. So I agree about Dracula, not because of power but because not enough counters exist for him. But Cassie and Mockingbird seem fine to me, Cassie requires a specific opponent to be good, and Mockingbird has deckbuilding constraints.

Finally, one can understand the need for tech card, and still hate them.