OTA 3/21

[kingts]

https://marvelsnapzone.com/marvel-snap-march-21-2024-ota-card-balance-updates/

[Taweret]

people overrate card is not just it only all the support he get, have you tried playing thanos without all these cards like blob skaar and cull? because i did, and hes bad.

[Taweret]

Originally posted by kingts:

They are too stuck in the same method of creation, create for money, change later.

aye, they don't see the core of the problem they are bad at beta testing changes, if they played thanos without all support he gets it would be obvious is not the card that is boosted only other cards that make it possible. nerfing thanos is worst route they can take, in every other card game i played the core card was never nerfed only the enablers, for example there was mecha cthun combo in hearthstone, and mecha cthun was big bad, but what make it broken were combo enablers. and what is thanos enabler? caiera blob etc, especially caiera that makes stones immune to killmonger.

[Zlehtnoba]

Originally posted by Taweret:

Originally posted by kingts:

They are too stuck in the same method of creation, create for money, change later.

aye, they don't see the core of the problem they are bad at beta testing changes, if they played thanos without all support he gets it would be obvious is not the card that is boosted only other cards that make it possible. nerfing thanos is worst route they can take, in every other card game i played the core card was never nerfed only the enablers, for example there was mecha cthun combo in hearthstone, and mecha cthun was big bad, but what make it broken were combo enablers. and what is thanos enabler? caiera blob etc, especially caiera that makes stones immune to killmonger.

Well, Thanos is the enabler in that deck. In particular, his stones, which discount Mockingbird, are perfect plays in Hope Summers lane, and enable Hulk Obsidian. Caiera is not even played in the deck after Mockingbird released, and Thanos as turn six play is more often than not a disappointment. I believe they are correct, Thanos is the problem, among others things because the best deck in the game is also the most expensive one.

I really enjoy playing Thanos and Loki, bit I'm afraid Thanos is going to change in a big way.

[Zlehtnoba]

About Camora: I think moving a power from ability to base stats is a buff,, since she now has more power if they don't play in her lane. I like that one.

[kingts]

Thanos is one of their strongest brands in game.
One they found a turn sequence that works. That is the key, do game mechanics within the construct that you create, work. When you add, or take away cards, how does it effect cards working mechanics. Gamers go to what works. The meta is not created by them, but what they find in key card sequencing that makes a card, work. Then how to strangle your opponent, how to lead him exactly where you want to lead him. They use high percentage plays to take advantage of other constructs. That simple.

He is by far the strongest of the Meta Cards introduced. Galactus, Kang, Thanos, not even close. Why, because he works with the least resistance. His on curve mechanics have much more flexibility than most cards.
Remember how he was implemented, how he was promised, and the cost.
He is now, much more owned by players in the base, he will be a featured spotlight card again. He is still a 6k cost. You better be right if you alter that.

He operated 32nd Rank, 57.2 win/rate and cube rate of .5. He is a powerful meta card due to flexibility of what they have introduced. He also takes skill to play. What gem to use, when, what to add, what to take away.
I deal in facts. I will beat you most of the time with Thanos without getting to turn 6. Stats do not lie. The more they alter in his gem structure, and they have done this due to energy enablers. The more erratic his construct becomes.
How they hurt card mechanics is by adding more steps to a meta card. Instead of one card that does what its suppose to do, they will add an additional step to accomplish the same thing. That is a problem.

To me they are unbalancing his construct to fit what is coming. As I explained what they create in the future. They want to see how this change analytically works before they either go back, or change some more. As I originally stated, dangerous when you do that.

@Zleht-Yeah GOTG got a nice boost, and I think more cards are coming that will force your opponent into the lane. There are currently two in the game, more maybe coming. That too can be overdone. If you are not using Jean Grey and Nebula in your GOTG decks, then I don't know what to tell you. Solid players work around this theme, but the more you add the harder that gets.
I think more than one will make those decks very dangerous. Now, GOTG get maximum power for less guess work. See.
You still have May, June, July, Aug, of around 30 cards that will alter the meta more. We will see. We will adjust.

Thanos is a fantastic construct, but they can ruin him for sure. Absolutely.

[ryu600RR]

did u google translate that

[Zinkr7x]

Originally posted by Taweret:

people overrate card is not just it only all the support he get, have you tried playing thanos without all these cards like blob skaar and cull? because i did, and hes bad.

That's like saying Patriot is a bad card if you run him without any no ability cards. No duh, if you're not using a card to its specific strengths, it's going to be a bad card.
Ms. Marvel is a bad card if every other card in your deck is 1 cost.
Knull is a bad card if you don't run it with a single other destroy card. (Well actually, that one can be a really whack but kinda funny tech)
Adam Warlock is a bad card. Just objectively.

[Tray]

Originally posted by Taweret:

people overrate card is not just it only all the support he get, have you tried playing thanos without all these cards like blob skaar and cull? because i did, and hes bad.

Have you tried playing Hela without any discards? It's pretty bad.

Have you tried playing Cull without any 1 drops? It's pretty bad.

Have you tried playing Mockingbird without any cards that don't start in your deck? It's pretty bad.

That's about the worst way to look at a card and judge how powerful it is.

[Zinkr7x]

Originally posted by Tray:

Originally posted by Taweret:

people overrate card is not just it only all the support he get, have you tried playing thanos without all these cards like blob skaar and cull? because i did, and hes bad.

Have you tried playing Hela without any discards? It's pretty bad.

Have you tried playing Cull without any 1 drops? It's pretty bad.

Have you tried playing Mockingbird without any cards that don't start in your deck? It's pretty bad.

That's about the worst way to look at a card and judge how powerful it is.

I wouldn't say it's the worst way, it's just not the only way to judge how powerful a card is or the only way to look at it.
Like, if Thanos was really strong without any of his toolkit supports, that also would show just how strong he is.

[Taweret]

Originally posted by Zinkr7x:

Originally posted by Taweret:

people overrate card is not just it only all the support he get, have you tried playing thanos without all these cards like blob skaar and cull? because i did, and hes bad.

That's like saying Patriot is a bad card if you run him without any no ability cards. No duh, if you're not using a card to its specific strengths, it's going to be a bad card.
Ms. Marvel is a bad card if every other card in your deck is 1 cost.
Knull is a bad card if you don't run it with a single other destroy card. (Well actually, that one can be a really whack but kinda funny tech)
Adam Warlock is a bad card. Just objectively.

Patriot and Knull are bad example, since their mechanic is just tied to archetype. and thanos is card that says "put good cards win" there is no thanos archetype. magneto is number 1 ranked card in game and he falls into thanos, blob can be used in any deck too is just op card in general, does that makes him thanos archetype? i dont think so, thanos is just all about stones, that are like glue that just put together different cards, if you can rework card to don't be bad without stones that would be the way. the only cards that super well synergize with thanos are Caiera, Cull and Mockingbird.

https://marvelsnapzone.com/tier-list/

Thanos deck with mockingbird dropped to tier 2 recently.

[Zinkr7x]

Originally posted by Taweret:

Originally posted by Zinkr7x:

That's like saying Patriot is a bad card if you run him without any no ability cards. No duh, if you're not using a card to its specific strengths, it's going to be a bad card.
Ms. Marvel is a bad card if every other card in your deck is 1 cost.
Knull is a bad card if you don't run it with a single other destroy card. (Well actually, that one can be a really whack but kinda funny tech)
Adam Warlock is a bad card. Just objectively.

Patriot and Knull are bad example, since their mechanic is just tied to archetype. and thanos is card that says "put good cards win" there is no thanos archetype. magneto is number 1 ranked card in game and he falls into thanos, blob can be used in any deck too is just op card in general, does that makes him thanos archetype? i dont think so, thanos is just all about stones, that are like glue that just put together different cards, if you can rework card to don't be bad without stones that would be the way. the only cards that super well synergize with thanos are Caiera, Cull and Mockingbird.

https://marvelsnapzone.com/tier-list/

Thanos deck with mockingbird dropped to tier 2 recently.

If Thanos is good with certain cards, even if they're just good stuff, you have to evaluate on that. You cannot just remove those cards from the deck, and say Thanos is bad. You need to look at why those cards together are performing extremely well, and it;s because of Thanos.
Literally a better test is to remove Thanos from the deck in question, not Blob and Magneto and all that, and see how it performs in comparison

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by Taweret:

Originally posted by Zinkr7x:

That's like saying Patriot is a bad card if you run him without any no ability cards. No duh, if you're not using a card to its specific strengths, it's going to be a bad card.
Ms. Marvel is a bad card if every other card in your deck is 1 cost.
Knull is a bad card if you don't run it with a single other destroy card. (Well actually, that one can be a really whack but kinda funny tech)
Adam Warlock is a bad card. Just objectively.

Patriot and Knull are bad example, since their mechanic is just tied to archetype. and thanos is card that says "put good cards win" there is no thanos archetype. magneto is number 1 ranked card in game and he falls into thanos, blob can be used in any deck too is just op card in general, does that makes him thanos archetype? i dont think so, thanos is just all about stones, that are like glue that just put together different cards, if you can rework card to don't be bad without stones that would be the way. the only cards that super well synergize with thanos are Caiera, Cull and Mockingbird.

https://marvelsnapzone.com/tier-list/

Thanos deck with mockingbird dropped to tier 2 recently.

Thanos with mockingbird was still the best deck in the top 5% of infinite (so the best players in the game) yesterday on untapped. But across all of infinite it dropped down to tier B there as well. So it's seems to still be the best deck in the hands of the best players. But has dropped significantly in the hands of the average infinite player.

[Taweret]

Originally posted by Zinkr7x:

Literally a better test is to remove Thanos from the deck in question, not Blob and Magneto and all that, and see how it performs in comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyqBRX0YlyI
i saw this video of Regis where he plays deck focused on blob finisher, maybe it's meme, or Blob pre-nerf version? idk but it looks like Blob still is killa without even Thanos.

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by Taweret:

Originally posted by Zinkr7x:

Literally a better test is to remove Thanos from the deck in question, not Blob and Magneto and all that, and see how it performs in comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyqBRX0YlyI
i saw this video of Regis where he plays deck focused on blob finisher, maybe it's meme, or Blob pre-nerf version? idk but it looks like Blob still is killa without even Thanos.

That's prenerf blob.

[Taweret]

17:01 https://youtu.be/7tYX4u5pq4M?si=XCihHG4598QvFmMz&t=1021 - it's the same thing i noticed playing thanos that killmonger is hard counter to it. that why i dropped playing it just with mockingbird, until maybe i get cull as im lacking for it like 500 tokens and warmachine release i would feel more confident having that 20 atk infinaut drop at turn 6.