Living Tribunal

[jamezilla]

Something needs to be done to nerf this card, though I don't claim to know what. Right now it's an instant win.

[Zinkr7x]

Tribunal decks are easily predicted and are not strong. If you're losing to it, you either need a Cosmo tech for the Hela variant, or Enchantress, which will destroy Tribunal. Rogue is also a great option.
If you wanna get fancier and are running Mysitque and or Onslaught, you can even use Super Skrull.

Tribunal is probably at a fair place, but if anything, I'd say Tribunal could use a buff. Maybe more apt that Tribunal needs a buff in terms of more support cards.

[ryu600RR]

surprise he isn't 6/6

[Zinkr7x]

Originally posted by ryu600RR:

surprise he isn't 6/6

He was. He was absolutely garbage as a 6/6.

[Raisins]

He is not that great to be honest, unless you somehow clone him all over the place with an already high powered deck. Which is a nightmare to manage since everyone and their grandma have fkn Shang Chi up their @ss.

[kingts]

Try a Hela Blob Living Tribunal deck.

BLOB
LIVING TRIBUNAL
HELA
INFINAUT
IRONLAD
WAVE
RED SKULL
SIF
BLADE
INVISO-(Careful of Alioth-here)
GAMBIT (not a bad idea to play in Inviso lane if you have cards in hand that you cannot play before turn six flip)
OKOYE

Tweak it how you wish.
ONSLAUGHT opt, but careful with six cost clutter if you do.

Hit your Blob, spread his love.

[Zinkr7x]

Originally posted by Raisins:

He is not that great to be honest, unless you somehow clone him all over the place with an already high powered deck. Which is a nightmare to manage since everyone and their grandma have fkn Shang Chi up their @ss.

Shang Chi can't hit Tribunal, and cloning Tribunal doesn't really do much but add 3 at each location???

[AritheReaper]

Originally posted by Zinkr7x:

Tribunal decks are easily predicted and are not strong. If you're losing to it, you either need a Cosmo tech for the Hela variant, or Enchantress, which will destroy Tribunal. Rogue is also a great option.
If you wanna get fancier and are running Mysitque and or Onslaught, you can even use Super Skrull.

Tribunal is probably at a fair place, but if anything, I'd say Tribunal could use a buff. Maybe more apt that Tribunal needs a buff in terms of more support cards.

Invisible Woman sorta makes the Enchantress approach harder; still not impossible to counter, mind, but it's certainly still annoying to run into Tribunal decks that effectively say "I win unless you have a counter or I don't draw my combo." You can build your deck in anticipation of it, or hope the locations in a match are to your advantage, but that doesn't make it any less of an annoying design for a card.

[Zlehtnoba]

You could always run Alioth, it will kill the cards behind Invisible Woman before they resolve.

[Si]

Tribunal isn't an instant win, it's the cards around him that are your problem.

I'm guessing IW/Modok/Hela or IW/Ironman/Onslaught/Tribunal right? Maybe its those trying the Blob/Tribunal deck.

Alioth is great for this he just nukes the IW lane. Problem solved.

Juggernaut can be good too for knocking some power put of the one lane, since ironman/onslaught/trib ideally needs it all stacked.

[kingts]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

You could always run Alioth, it will kill the cards behind Invisible Woman before they resolve.

That is going to be an issue too with Super Giant coming
Description
On Reveal: All cards played this turn and next turn don’t reveal until the game ends.
Huge problem with Alioth.

[AritheReaper]

The issue still remains that it's a strategy that you need a counter for in order to prevent (aside from location RNG), forcing you to dedicate a card or two in your deck in case you run into it in conquest. Avoiding it in ladder is often a simple retreat if you know you can't handle it given your deck and the location spread, but it's a more prevalent threat in conquest where--if you were running a deck that can't outpace its numbers or prevent its setup--you're liable to lose a ticket to it unless you've got good luck.

[Tray]

Originally posted by AritheReaper:

The issue still remains that it's a strategy that you need a counter for in order to prevent, forcing you to dedicate a card or two in your deck in case you run into it in conquest. Avoiding it in ladder is a simple as retreating if you know you can't handle it given your deck and the location spread, but it's a more prevalent threat in conquest where--if you were running a deck that can't outpace its numbers or prevent its setup--you're liable to lose a ticket to it unless you've got good luck.

Plenty of strategies can out power decks without a counter, how is this any different?

[AritheReaper]

Originally posted by Tray:

Originally posted by AritheReaper:

The issue still remains that it's a strategy that you need a counter for in order to prevent, forcing you to dedicate a card or two in your deck in case you run into it in conquest. Avoiding it in ladder is a simple as retreating if you know you can't handle it given your deck and the location spread, but it's a more prevalent threat in conquest where--if you were running a deck that can't outpace its numbers or prevent its setup--you're liable to lose a ticket to it unless you've got good luck.

Plenty of strategies can out power decks without a counter, how is this any different?

The fact that it's split amongst three inherently, as its proper setup can lead to 30s in all locations? The fact it inherently disincentives decks that don't put out those numbers? The arguably low number of locations that serve to allow you to counter-play it without a card that can do so in your deck? The fact that most strategies that can actually get those numbers are often far more obvious and less consistent, meaning that it's easier to only play snapped rounds to completion where you feel you're at an advantage (assuming you can do math)?

I could go on, but you understand that your question is the equivalent of asking me "How are Grand Tribunal decks unique," right?

[Tray]

Originally posted by AritheReaper:

Originally posted by Tray:

Plenty of strategies can out power decks without a counter, how is this any different?

The fact that it's split amongst three inherently, as its proper setup can lead to 30s in all locations? The fact it inherently disincentives decks that don't put out those numbers? The arguably low number of locations that serve to allow you to counter-play it without a card that can do so in your deck? The fact that most strategies that can actually get those numbers are often far more obvious and less consistent, meaning that it's easier to only play snapped rounds to completion where you feel you're at an advantage (assuming you can do math)?

I could go on, but you understand that your question is the equivalent of asking me "How are Grand Tribunal decks unique," right?

Other high roll decks often hit those numbers.

Other high roll decks disincentives decks that don't put out those numbers.

Other decks have advantages due to locations.

Tribunal is incredibly telegraphed and as obvious as it comes. It's no more consistent then other high roll decks.

Please do go on, because so far you haven't stated a single thing that makes Tribunal any different from other high roll decks you have to tech against to beat reliably.

[his1roguenation]

Originally posted by Si:

Tribunal isn't an instant win, it's the cards around him that are your problem.

I'm guessing IW/Modok/Hela or IW/Ironman/Onslaught/Tribunal right? Maybe its those trying the Blob/Tribunal deck.

Alioth is great for this he just nukes the IW lane. Problem solved.

imagine trying to use alioth if the opponent isn't running some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hela deck but rather ramp blob with 100% initiative on turn 6, with task and tribunal as win cons and even if he doesn't draw armor/you enchant it, he's gonna get 1 line pretty much definitely
blob was already rather high up when he came out but after people realized tribunal is better than arnim, he has certainly become a problem

but hey, if you wait a few weeks they will nerf the living tit out of blob so who cares, right?
doubt they will nerf tribunal though, tribunal, if anything, should be soft buffed because of how ungodly hard it has become to win with LT hela decks
you don't even run them anymore for 40+ quests