The rigged games are getting even worse

[Si]

Literally every game, without exception - without exception

Opponent playing shenaut

Turn 1 Sunspot, turn 3 cyclops. Every game. Every single game.

Me? no sunspot until turn 6, cyclops doesn't ever show up. Had to check he was even in the deck.


Opponent playing that ms marvel lockdown deck

Turn 1 nebula
turn 2 zabu

Every game. Every single game.

Me playing a single deck? all my 1 and 2 cost cards are hidden at the back, cant play anything until turn 3 no matter how many low cost cards I have.


I suppose "it's just luck" right, even though we're talking hours and hours of playing and it's extremely consistent. Perfect draws, perfect tempo.

Also had 1 who played Caiera on death's domain on turn 3, as I played storm there to shut it off and I had priority. Didn't even recognize it as a bot until I saw that....unless someone wants to tell me this person intended to kill their Caiera for no good reason and no benefit? :)

Whats the point in playing if you're just matched against bots who play the exact same deck as you but are scripted to have perfect draws and tempo? I really don't get it.

[onedudesmind]

I think it's is naive to think that they have these tools and just don't use them, or to think they are not capable of this sort of manipulation, there are various boring seminars that you can go watch. They explain all of the money they have spent and the process of the psychology of keeping you playing by controlling who you play against and with. No the system is not rigged to make you lose all of the time, it is rigged to keep you addicted. If you win to much or lose to much is what they try to control, but with free will and all nothing is perfect i'm guessing people beat the system all the time it is not a heavy handed thing and just does it best to keep everyone "happy" .

[teGreyalP]

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[Endragor]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Si:

So just as an update I think there has been an awakening due to Arishem.

I've seen so many comments across a number of websites, the sheer consistency of opponents Arishem decks really has many more people questioning the game.

I know for me it's not uncommon for opponents to draw consistently with a 24 card deck than I can with a 12.

Since the release of Arishem I don't think I've had a single game where I played a big card and they didn't have Shang Chi. You have to accept they have it every sinlge game now.

Agreed.

Arishem decks are really shedding light on how SD algorithms manipulate draws in a sometimes exasperated way.

I lost count of how many times, playing with a Hawk deck, the opponent always drew Shang Chi, Rogue or even Legion depending on the situation of the board, was in on turn 6 or 7.

Example: I played Cosmo on left field on turn 4. On turn 5 I play Dark Hawk also on left field. Turn 6 Mystique on center field (empty until then) and Rock Slide also on center field. The opponent first plays Scarlet Witch on right field (empty for me) changing the field to "Isle of Silence" and then Legion, deactivating the effects of both Dark Hawk and Mystique.

It's daunting at this point.

EDIT: both Scarlet Witch and Legion were Arishem generated cards.

[Si]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Endragor:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Si:

So just as an update I think there has been an awakening due to Arishem.

I've seen so many comments across a number of websites, the sheer consistency of opponents Arishem decks really has many more people questioning the game.

I know for me it's not uncommon for opponents to draw consistently with a 24 card deck than I can with a 12.

Since the release of Arishem I don't think I've had a single game where I played a big card and they didn't have Shang Chi. You have to accept they have it every sinlge game now.

Agreed.

Arishem decks are really shedding light on how SD algorithms manipulate draws in a sometimes exasperated way.

I lost count of how many times, playing with a Hawk deck, the opponent always drew Shang Chi, Rogue or even Legion depending on the situation of the board, was in on turn 6 or 7.

Example: I played Cosmo on left field on turn 4. On turn 5 I play Dark Hawk also on left field. Turn 6 Mystique on center field (empty until then) and Rock Slide also on center field. The opponent first plays Scarlet Witch on right field (empty for me) changing the field to "Isle of Silence" and then Legion, deactivating the effects of both Dark Hawk and Mystique.

It's daunting at this point.

EDIT: both Scarlet Witch and Legion were Arishem generated cards.

Lmfao thats a very suspicious example.

Of course these things are always possible as a rare event, but they're never rare events in snap. In fact these cases of "luck" are very consistent.

[Si]

So I just had a loosing streak at a higj stakes table in Deadpools diner.

Every game, the opponents were drawing better than me. We were both playing Arishem, but they were getting all their best cards and I had hands full of crap. Even Loki only took the crap from them.

You would think if the game was random it would be a bit more 50/50 right? Rather than the opponents always drawing better.

So after a loosing streak it gives me a pity bot. Another instant loss - Arishem gave me copycat, who stole Ultron, and rhe first location was the one that places a card from your hand. Even with 4 cards I knew it was going to put down Copycat, there wasnt a doubt in my mind and sure enough, it placed down copycat throwing the game. These situations are aleays completely predictable.

Anyway it then gave me another pity bot. The game was determined for me to win.

Now we all know if you keep losing you get pity bots.....but whats to say the reverse isnt true? That if you keep winning it gives you the cheating bots? Whybis that so crazy when we know its true if you keep losing? Is it because people cant recognize cheating bots? Because the dumb bots are only blatant because their plays make absolutely no sense (snap for 8 cubes and play Angela by herself on turn 6 into deaths domain).

Players have long said the game manipulates outcomes to force a moderately even win/loss ratio.

[Arukādo]

Guys... I was on the other side during a long time, but now I have to admit there are rigged/cheating Arishem bots. Every Arishem you will encounter on the Deadpool event is a cheating bot and will try to mimic players (even with emotes).
We definitely need to open our eyes on this, the game is manipulating luck based on your win/lose ratio and collection level (and even on the deck you are playing), the game is trying to force you to pay something (buds on Deadpool event, tokens to obtain a card you need, etc).

My experience:
1. Played my usual Negative Foster deck, but wasn't enough for the event so I tried other things
2. After some games I noticed more and more Arishem decks and they beat me everytime with "magical counter at the right moment"
3. I decided to focus on Arishem decks, so I created a "F*CK ARISHEM" deck to beat them
4. Even with this deck specially created to counter Arishem, they often managed to win with extreme luck (randomness of locations and Arishem random cards)
5. At this point I encountered ONLY Arishem decks on this event

So what's the issue here?
Just tell me... Is it normal to battle around 50 Arishem decks IN A ROW? I don't think so.
And I'm not lying, I played this morning during 3 hours, 3 hours against Arishem decks ONLY.

2 possibilities:
1. Everyone is playing this f*cker right now, 100% of the players (remember I tested this on 50 games IN A ROW)
2. They are cheating bots and the game didn't want me to win the event for free so it launched every hardcore bots on my face

I doubt the first one is possible. Pretty sure those who paid something didn't encounter 50 Arishem decks in a row...
Honestly I am very TIRED right now because of this intensive farming, but if you need proof I can record some games on the event with the exact same deck i was playing, even after obtaining Cassandra it was still the same...
You have to be very BLIND to not see what is currently happening on the game.

And before you say I'm just a troll or something, I play this game since the begining, my CL is currently 14900.
-> https://i.imgur.com/KzI9Fiw.png <-

[Si]

Even more...

Junk decks getting sinister london. Every destroy deck thus far has had a destroy location. Mockingbird decks getting central park. Ironman/trib decks getting nidavellir. At what point does every deck having locations which hugely benefit it switch from luck to design for some of you?

District x takes away my deck and my best cards....but my opponent somehow still has his mockingbird and Blob.

Going against mirror decks a lot and whatever cards you want, the opponent gets them first. You're always a step behind. E.g. They got Ravonna on 2 and now they're ramping into the good stuff while you're stuck drawing duds.

Been on this hours and consistently, consistently, opponents draw better every game and get locations which are a huge advantage for them.

The diner mode is forcing loses to slow progress. Its impossible for opponents to draw better every game for hours with random card draws. Mathematically impossible.

[Si]

So the game 100% officially manifests cards on the fly.

Just today I have seen...

Discard deck. All the usual discard cards.....with a random hobgoblin thrown in.

Kitty/Angela/Thena deck with a random lady dearhstrike.

And my favourite, the sterotypical zoo deck (antman, marvel boy, kazaar, dazzler, squirrel girl etc) and a random ajax for no reason.

In each case it was exactly what they needed to win. Aside from the last, I think the A.I got confused because of bar with no name.

Why the hell would a zoo deck have a random ajax?

Whats interesting as well is how these were the basic cards with the most basic border, yet none were created from locations all were part of the opponents decks.

These decks are not running this cards. None of it makes any sense. Its just drawing what it needs as the game plays out.

The game is crooked as hell. Save your money.

[Clockeye]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Si:

So the game 100% officially manifests cards on the fly.

Just today I have seen...

Discard deck. All the usual discard cards.....with a random hobgoblin thrown in.

Kitty/Angela/Thena deck with a random lady dearhstrike.

And my favourite, the sterotypical zoo deck (antman, marvel boy, kazaar, dazzler, squirrel girl etc) and a random ajax for no reason.

In each case it was exactly what they needed to win. Aside from the last, I think the A.I got confused because of bar with no name.

Why the hell would a zoo deck have a random ajax?

Whats interesting as well is how these were the basic cards with the most basic border, yet none were created from locations all were part of the opponents decks.

These decks are not running this cards. None of it makes any sense. Its just drawing what it needs as the game plays out.

The game is crooked as hell. Save your money.

matches are also rigged based on your rank

[Captain Worthy]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Si:

So the game 100% officially manifests cards on the fly.

The game is crooked as hell. Save your money.

This is what I did, uninstalled at the end of the Deadpool Diner event and never coming back. Now I get to have 16€ more per month for myself by not playing this game.

[Si]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Clockeye:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Si:

So the game 100% officially manifests cards on the fly.

Just today I have seen...

Discard deck. All the usual discard cards.....with a random hobgoblin thrown in.

Kitty/Angela/Thena deck with a random lady dearhstrike.

And my favourite, the sterotypical zoo deck (antman, marvel boy, kazaar, dazzler, squirrel girl etc) and a random ajax for no reason.

In each case it was exactly what they needed to win. Aside from the last, I think the A.I got confused because of bar with no name.

Why the hell would a zoo deck have a random ajax?

Whats interesting as well is how these were the basic cards with the most basic border, yet none were created from locations all were part of the opponents decks.

These decks are not running this cards. None of it makes any sense. Its just drawing what it needs as the game plays out.

The game is crooked as hell. Save your money.

matches are also rigged based on your rank

Yup I flew through ranks 70 and 80 within hours, now 5 days on and I'm still stick in mid 90's - because opponents draw perfect and have ideal locations every game.

It makes no sense because everyone got reset to 70 in Tuesday. The people I was facing then (ignoring bot matches obviously) were somehow a pushover and now they're all drawing perfect every game?

There is no sane nor logical reason why opponents would suddenly draw better at rank 90 than 80. None whatsoever.

Its like at 80 they play decks and hit their combos maybe 75% if the time, but for no reason whatsoever in the 90's everyone suddenly draws their 3-5 card combos cobsistently every game.

It's blatant manipulatuon.

[Creature of Nature]

Have you played HS or mtga recently? they're all like that now. Din't play them for a couple years then went back and they're pretty much like this where opponent gets perfect draws match after match or I win easily without even trying.

I think they do it for Twitch viewership cause big wins are good for watching and CC's content which = good

It's kind of like if you don't know how draws are IRL by playing Magic or other games in person and have only played online games you'd prob think it's normal since it's all some people have ever known(recent online ccg/tcg).

Looking back on some of the older'ish online card games like SolForge, Kingdoms, Hex and that Might and Magic one heck even Battle Lines... those were closer to organic draws because they were before streaming really boosted sales. They also aren't around anymore because they were before streaming boosted sales lol.

So it's like we aren't really playing... just pressing play, placing cards and waiting to see if the game lets us win or not. Kinda weird but ok.

[SWENinja]

It is all gone now, there are no rigged games at all, FOR REAL!

I stopped play couple of month because of rigged games, but serious, it is TOTAL gone and much more fun too play again.
Same as BOTS, there are much much less BOTs now then before.

I can take resposibility on myself and serious say, finally this very very good game is BACK! if not even better! (No, I don't payd too write this, even if I should).

Come try beat me if you can. ;)

[Clockeye]

why do people shill this hard?

[Zlehtnoba]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Creature of Nature:

Have you played HS or mtga recently? they're all like that now. Din't play them for a couple years then went back and they're pretty much like this where opponent gets perfect draws match after match or I win easily without even trying.

I think they do it for Twitch viewership cause big wins are good for watching and CC's content which = good :CashMoneys:

It's kind of like if you don't know how draws are IRL by playing Magic or other games in person and have only played online games you'd prob think it's normal since it's all some people have ever known(recent online ccg/tcg).

Looking back on some of the older'ish online card games like SolForge, Kingdoms, Hex and that Might and Magic one heck even Battle Lines... those were closer to organic draws because they were before streaming really boosted sales. They also aren't around anymore because they were before streaming boosted sales lol.

So it's like we aren't really playing... just pressing play, placing cards and waiting to see if the game lets us win or not. Kinda weird but ok.

Card games are changing due to power creep. More powerful cards mean less time to get your answers, more one-sided games. And you are right, this is partly due to audience wishing for spectacular plays.

People don't shuffle well in real life, when they get online they face RNG for the first time, and are shocked. I haven't played Magic Arena for a while now, but when I did, draws were random. OFC, Arena had no bots.

I prefer not to ascribe my skill issues to conspiracies, like scripted draws.