FUTURE POTENTIAL NERFS

[kingts]

There will be a patch, but no OTA for a long while.
I thought for a fun discussion, so keep it civil. Potential NERFs to cards that either are being over played, too out of control, or problematic in the Meta.
This is POTENTIAL nerfs, so don't take it like its something definite. This is not about wishing them to be Nerfed. I am no fan of any nerfs.
I will start, outside of fixing Daredevil, to actually work.

1. ALIOTH-I am not sure what they do with him, but I can see them reducing him to a single target.
2. WBN- I can see his power reduced to 3/1
3. LOKI-Not addressed with their back and forth nonsense, Collector returning to normal, and the energy cost made no difference. Fun card if you have him, but he will force their hand.
4. PROF X-Synergies with a lot of decks. Forge, other ramp cards make him very final. Probably will not change, but becoming polarizing in the Meta
5. CHAVEZ-Most played card, highest win/rate when played, but I doubt they alter her mechanic. Is she viable at 6/8, or do they go 6/10 to get her in Shang-Chi's cross-hairs.

Now those are five off the top of my head. I am sure there are others you have in mind. Peace my brothers.

[Si]

Game is boring as hell to play right now. I barely touch it anymore.

Red Hulk
Cannonball/Prof X combo
Hela

Just nerf these 3 chumps. Throw in White Widow since she's in every game maybe, though I think after the Sentry/Annihulus nerf and if Prof X/Cannonball got hit, she night fall out of favour a little.

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by Si:

Throw in Black Widow since she's in every game

Well I was gonna go to untapped to see what black widows play rate is since I never see her. But they have made it where the data above rank 79 is filtered out unless you pay. So its no longer a viable resource to use if you are not willing to shell out for the data. So all I can say is that I pretty much never see black widow.

[Zlehtnoba]

Maybe Si was thinking of the other Widow? She is often played with Cannonball and Prof X, and it's a top deck.

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Maybe Si was thinking of the other Widow? She is often played with Cannonball and Prof X, and it's a top deck.

Maybe, white widow is everywhere.

[Si]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

Maybe Si was thinking of the other Widow? She is often played with Cannonball and Prof X, and it's a top deck.

Haha yes my bad, I meant White Widow. She's everywhere.

[kingts]

Ok gang here is the current META figures. This is based on the last 10 days, so keep that in mind. Things change.

Best win/rate per card in order
1. Gilgamesh 63%
2. Thena 60%
3. Thing 59%
4. Cyclops 59%
5. Blink 59%
6. Red Hulk 58%
7. Loki 57%
8. Kazar 57%
9. Captain A. 56%
10. White Widow 56%

Best cube share cards when played

1. Gilgamesh .085%
2. Nakia .081%
3. Red Hulk .081%
4. Loki .079%
5. Thena .077%
6. Jean Grey .075%
7. Thanos .074%
8. Blink .073%
9. Wong .072%
10. Hela .071%

Most cards being used
1. Shang Chi (back on top)
2. Jeff
3. Magik
4. Death
5. Red Hulk
6. Kitty
7. Angela
8. Thena
9. Prof. X
10. Jubilee

NEW cards
8. Thena
15. White Widow
17. Blink
19. Cannonball -huge mover
20. Nocturne
32. Sasquatch
37. Sage
115th is Gilgamesh, one of the lowest ranks for a BP card for a long while

Cards over used and moving up fast
Magneto
Elsa
Cosmo
Super Skrull
Hope

Biggest droppers
Black Swan, pretty bad numbers
Pixie not sure why she is dropping
Valentina simply not being utilized

Meta Decks
Ravonna Lockdown
Prof X lockdown
Junk
Ongoing
Hela Corvus
Destroy

Your big deck climbers- Past 10 days
Hela Corvus
Gilga Wong
Destroy Ongoing
Loki Reveal

There you have the numbers gang combined from 9 sites.

I do think they will pick ONE to nerf, and a few to buff.
My guess is Gilgamesh will get a fast tweak here to boost their sales
I do think Red Hulk, Eavonna and Prof X are in their cross hairs, but they may address those cards themselves or others that are allowing their dominance to be slightly tweaked. we will see.

See you in 10 days.

[Lady MacBeth]

I would hope X is in their cross hairs. But he's also the only thing that even remotely keeps hela in check. They also consistently say both X and hela are not a problem in the full metrics that they have access to. So hard to say if they do anything.

[groovador]

I hope and pray and yearn for prof. X to be full spider-man'd. his design is just incredibly toxic and should have no right existing, let alone being this good.

... but if that's really off the table for SD, i'd like to see them change ravonna. maybe make her reduce the cost of cards with 0 or less power?

[Si]

Originally posted by Lady Ming:

I would hope X is in their cross hairs. But he's also the only thing that even remotely keeps hela in check. They also consistently say both X and hela are not a problem in the full metrics that they have access to. So hard to say if they do anything.

Yeah I want to see X changed but if they do the Hela decks will be even more common than they are now with little to stop them.

Unfortunately the people on the balance team lack the skill to fix this.

[kingts]

Ok gang here is the current META figures. This is based on the last 10 days, so keep that in mind. Things change. As you can only Thena remained in the pecking order of Eternals new cards.

Best win/rate per card in order past 10 days- This is constantly changing...
1. Namora - 59.8 %
2. Nocturne - 56.8%
3. Shaw - 55.9%
4. Cull - 55.7%
5. X-23 - 55.4%
6. Thena - 55.3%
7. Mockingbird -55.1%
8. Loki - 54.9%
9. Hope - 54.8%
10. Red Hulk - 54.7%


Best cube share cards when played

1. Hela 1.049%
2. Odin 1.017%
3. Onslaught 1.002%
4. MODOK .092%
5. LIVING TRIB .091%
6. ULTRON .089%
7. GIlGAMESH .081%
8. SILVER SURF .080%
9. DEATH .080%
10. THENA .078%

Most cards being used
1. Jedd
2. Shang Chi
3. Magik
4. Killmonger -big mover
5. Sera - big mover
6. Mockingbird
7. Brood -big mover
8. Silver Surfer -big mover
9. Nocturne
10. Blue Marvel

NEW cards
14. Nocturne
23. White Widow
27. Thena
32. Sasquatch
37. Sage
56. Gilgamesh
73. Makkari
91. Phastos - New Entry
101. Sersi
125. Cannonball (huge drop)
128. Narmora (huge drop)

Cards over used and moving up fast

Biggest droppers
Werewolf by Knight (surprising)
War-machine up and down
Jean Grey -change didn't take

Meta Decks
HAMMER PIX
SURFER (way overplayed-not necessarily top meta tier decks)
RAVONNA JUNK
HELA PWR DISCARD
THENA BOUNCE
DESTROY

Your big deck climbers- Past 10 days
Surfer Cards
Luke Cage
Cosmo
Super Skrull

There you have the numbers gang combined from 9 sites.

Look for changes to Hercules, Black Swan, Makkari, Phastos, 2099, cards they feel need a shot for sales or are struggling in usage. Cannonball reverted back, but these are buffs.

A nerf candidate and there is usually 1 or 2.
I don't see them touching Red Hulk, but two cards come in mind as NERF targets

RAVONNA, not to punish her users, but maybe a slight tweak
WHITE WIDOW -this one I don't want to see touched, but they could give her a tweak.
I am not sure if they tough HELA again, doubtful. Maybe something around her.

We will see.



See you in 10 days.

[Gubtubus Webble]

Originally posted by kingts:

Ok gang here is the current META figures. This is based on the last 10 days, so keep that in mind. Things change. As you can only Thena remained in the pecking order of Eternals new cards.

Best win/rate per card in order past 10 days- This is constantly changing...
1. Namora - 59.8 %
2. Nocturne - 56.8%
3. Shaw - 55.9%
4. Cull - 55.7%
5. X-23 - 55.4%
6. Thena - 55.3%
7. Mockingbird -55.1%
8. Loki - 54.9%
9. Hope - 54.8%
10. Red Hulk - 54.7%


Best cube share cards when played

1. Hela 1.049%
2. Odin 1.017%
3. Onslaught 1.002%
4. MODOK .092%
5. LIVING TRIB .091%
6. ULTRON .089%
7. GIlGAMESH .081%
8. SILVER SURF .080%
9. DEATH .080%
10. THENA .078%

Most cards being used
1. Jedd
2. Shang Chi
3. Magik
4. Killmonger -big mover
5. Sera - big mover
6. Mockingbird
7. Brood -big mover
8. Silver Surfer -big mover
9. Nocturne
10. Blue Marvel

NEW cards
14. Nocturne
23. White Widow
27. Thena
32. Sasquatch
37. Sage
56. Gilgamesh
73. Makkari
91. Phastos - New Entry
101. Sersi
125. Cannonball (huge drop)
128. Narmora (huge drop)

Cards over used and moving up fast

Biggest droppers
Werewolf by Knight (surprising)
War-machine up and down
Jean Grey -change didn't take

Meta Decks
HAMMER PIX
SURFER (way overplayed-not necessarily top meta tier decks)
RAVONNA JUNK
HELA PWR DISCARD
THENA BOUNCE
DESTROY

Your big deck climbers- Past 10 days
Surfer Cards
Luke Cage
Cosmo
Super Skrull

There you have the numbers gang combined from 9 sites.

Look for changes to Hercules, Black Swan, Makkari, Phastos, 2099, cards they feel need a shot for sales or are struggling in usage. Cannonball reverted back, but these are buffs.

A nerf candidate and there is usually 1 or 2.
I don't see them touching Red Hulk, but two cards come in mind as NERF targets

RAVONNA, not to punish her users, but maybe a slight tweak
WHITE WIDOW -this one I don't want to see touched, but they could give her a tweak.
I am not sure if they tough HELA again, doubtful. Maybe something around her.

We will see.



See you in 10 days. :dwarven:

Can they finally nerf Hela? There's literally no counter play to her. Every card that had cards placed at 3 locations were reduced to one. Why is Hela the exception?

[kingts]

Originally posted by DickPays:

Originally posted by kingts:

Ok gang here is the current META figures. This is based on the last 10 days, so keep that in mind. Things change. As you can only Thena remained in the pecking order of Eternals new cards.

Best win/rate per card in order past 10 days- This is constantly changing...
1. Namora - 59.8 %
2. Nocturne - 56.8%
3. Shaw - 55.9%
4. Cull - 55.7%
5. X-23 - 55.4%
6. Thena - 55.3%
7. Mockingbird -55.1%
8. Loki - 54.9%
9. Hope - 54.8%
10. Red Hulk - 54.7%


Best cube share cards when played

1. Hela 1.049%
2. Odin 1.017%
3. Onslaught 1.002%
4. MODOK .092%
5. LIVING TRIB .091%
6. ULTRON .089%
7. GIlGAMESH .081%
8. SILVER SURF .080%
9. DEATH .080%
10. THENA .078%

Most cards being used
1. Jedd
2. Shang Chi
3. Magik
4. Killmonger -big mover
5. Sera - big mover
6. Mockingbird
7. Brood -big mover
8. Silver Surfer -big mover
9. Nocturne
10. Blue Marvel

NEW cards
14. Nocturne
23. White Widow
27. Thena
32. Sasquatch
37. Sage
56. Gilgamesh
73. Makkari
91. Phastos - New Entry
101. Sersi
125. Cannonball (huge drop)
128. Narmora (huge drop)

Cards over used and moving up fast

Biggest droppers
Werewolf by Knight (surprising)
War-machine up and down
Jean Grey -change didn't take

Meta Decks
HAMMER PIX
SURFER (way overplayed-not necessarily top meta tier decks)
RAVONNA JUNK
HELA PWR DISCARD
THENA BOUNCE
DESTROY

Your big deck climbers- Past 10 days
Surfer Cards
Luke Cage
Cosmo
Super Skrull

There you have the numbers gang combined from 9 sites.

Look for changes to Hercules, Black Swan, Makkari, Phastos, 2099, cards they feel need a shot for sales or are struggling in usage. Cannonball reverted back, but these are buffs.

A nerf candidate and there is usually 1 or 2.
I don't see them touching Red Hulk, but two cards come in mind as NERF targets

RAVONNA, not to punish her users, but maybe a slight tweak
WHITE WIDOW -this one I don't want to see touched, but they could give her a tweak.
I am not sure if they tough HELA again, doubtful. Maybe something around her.

We will see.



See you in 10 days.

Can they finally nerf Hela? There's literally no counter play to her. Every card that had cards placed at 3 locations were reduced to one. Why is Hela the exception?

Yeah DP, I said that it would not work. People just simply added Cage. I have said her solution was to limit her recalls to a certain number, and her stats increased, not decreased over the past 10 days.
I think they hope to add new archetype options to get competitive with her as more

RECRUIT
ACTIVATE
STEALTH
MUTATION
PERMANENT ABILITIES come
MOVE Changes

However, they are also adding new power cards she can also use. You know they will probably add another Discard themed month end of the year.

[Zlehtnoba]

No nerfs this time, just buffs, good decision IMO.

[Ydrisselle]

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

No nerfs this time, just buffs, good decision IMO.

Angela is definitely nerfed, although it looks like a fine tuning.

[Zlehtnoba]

Originally posted by Ydrisselle:

Originally posted by Zlehtnoba:

No nerfs this time, just buffs, good decision IMO.

Angela is definitely nerfed, although it looks like a fine tuning.

Yes, sorry about that, somehow I forgot about it.