Wong, White tiger, Odin. decks

[Avalon Scorpion]

i just want to say i hate thiss deck combo. there over used by players and bots with perfect combo evrey time.

thiss is my 10 cents on the deck.
thats all....

[Cursed Life]

Play cosmo and auto-win every time, too smart for you?

[Avalon Scorpion]

Charmed Life a écrit :

Play cosmo and auto-win every time, too smart for you?

i have him in my deck. but it only works if cosmo drops.

[Cursed Life]

Its a 12 cards game, it will drop most of the times.

[Avalon Scorpion]

Charmed Life a écrit :

Its a 12 cards game, it will drop most of the times.

it will never drop when they do the combo.....

[Koori_89]

Charmed Life a écrit :

Its a 12 cards game, it will drop most of the times.

And when it doesn't ? Its at least (~70% or more) Even is it does drop on the last turn, the opponent already has at least 16 down on the board in tigers, 32 if Kamar Taj by the worst case on turn 6. Just like with deck building advice, countering advice is the same, find more than one way to counter or lock. Funneling people into one card pony doesn't benefit anyone. Gloating about it and being rude to others even less.

Avalon Scorpion a écrit :

i just want to say i hate thiss deck combo. there over used by players and bots with perfect combo evrey time.

Depending on your own deck there are options you can use. In theory with this combo the strongest lane is the empty one 32, weakest one 11 (assuming the opponent hasn't also played other cards). Obvious way is to cosmo on turn 5 before the tiger. That stops pretty much all of it. If you run more power decks you can try to stack a lane with more than 32 , or even enchantress the wong or rogue, if you have a similar deck. The other options are disrupt like korg widow rockslide and debree. You can lock the lane with storm (takes 2 turns) or Prof X. If you have Alioth and priority which normaly you do telegraph the Odin. If you have goblins you can stack them on the empty lane where the tigers will go. Most Destroy decks can easily stack 40-60-70 power with just knull , while the other lane is the setup cards. If Iceman hits the tiger or the wong, the combo also doesn't work well.

That combo is the only thing they would do most of the times, much much higher level strats involve Iron heart, hazmat, mystique and onslaught with wong. Which respective can be countered.

Finally , the "retreat" button is always on screen, if you know you can't pull off a counter. Its better to lose 1 than 4-8.

[Blind Reverend]

Deck doesn't have a perfect combo just a few options. If they don't get tiger by turn 5 they play black panther -> into Zola.
This deck is easy to counter with cosmo, if Echo is not in the zone.

[Rick80]

Play Cosmo in your deck

[webmetalreese]

Avalon Scorpion a écrit :

i just want to say i hate thiss deck combo. there over used by players and bots with perfect combo evrey time.

thiss is my 10 cents on the deck.
thats all....

I have 5 cents to add to your ten. I literally hate this combo so much and for so long.
EVERY time it comes up of course I don't have the counters. I'm so sick of seeing Wong, then I'll toss rogue down, steal his double tap but they play Mystique which then makes my southern belle completely worthless.

Debri is really good though for that combo in coming but again...its all about that RNG. Sometimes I can stop half of it with a goblin or rogue but I honestly rarely play Cosmo these days simply because I like to bounce wolfie around.

[Koori_89]

webmetalreese a écrit :

Avalon Scorpion a écrit :

... rarely play Cosmo these days simply because I like to bounce wolfie around.

Doesn't he bounce regardless of the activation ? I've seen him jump to reveal card with a cosmo in the lane. Maybe I missed something there.

[Si]

Avalon Scorpion a écrit :

Charmed Life a écrit :

Its a 12 cards game, it will drop most of the times.

it will never drop when they do the combo.....

Its becauae the game is fixed. Bots draw perfect.

Thats why they pull off the combo in 9 out of 10 games...but you will draw Cosmo in like 3 out of 10 at best.

Somehow they can consistently draw 3 or 4 card combos most games while you struggle to draw a single card when you need it.

Thats why I dont spend any money on this game anymore. Its like gambling, the house is the real winner.

[webmetalreese]

Koori_89 a écrit :

webmetalreese a écrit :

Doesn't he bounce regardless of the activation ? I've seen him jump to reveal card with a cosmo in the lane. Maybe I missed something there.

TBH I assumed cosmo would block any on reveal I play as well as the opponents, so since I have been running him I haven't even considered cosmo. I'll have to give it a try maybe but since onslaught is featured, no wolfie for a bit.

[webmetalreese]

Death Caster a écrit :

Wong decks are a kind of meme to me (I once tried Wong in c2 with Hazmat was very funny but rarely worked). He is just too restricted to him, very easy to read as soon as Wong drops, lot of counters, and very hard to get 8 cubers unless opponent is confident with his cook. Never meta hence not broken.

not meta, but an overused and frankly exploited combo that SD seems to allow. My question is how can a card like Alioth, or wave, or mobius get stomped into the ground, but it's totally fine to have a black panther trigger 8 times and then get Zola'd along with the rest of the combo?
While it's not 'meta' it doesn't matter to pool 3 climbers what is meta and what isn't. The combo itself is OP and (imo) an exploit. Think of wong and surfer or WT that's fine, but the entire ridiculousness of playing the specific cards on top frankly tops Loki when in ladder.
Now, when I see wong drop, I'm out. What a waste of time.

[Backler]

Bots cheat but otherwise this combo is pretty weak. Tons of counters and completely dependent on draws and people not knowing what to do against it. I used to play it a lot before I had better options and trust me, it hardly ever works out.

[Cursed Life]

webmetalreese a écrit :

Death Caster a écrit :

Wong decks are a kind of meme to me (I once tried Wong in c2 with Hazmat was very funny but rarely worked). He is just too restricted to him, very easy to read as soon as Wong drops, lot of counters, and very hard to get 8 cubers unless opponent is confident with his cook. Never meta hence not broken.

not meta, but an overused and frankly exploited combo that SD seems to allow. My question is how can a card like Alioth, or wave, or mobius get stomped into the ground, but it's totally fine to have a black panther trigger 8 times and then get Zola'd along with the rest of the combo?
While it's not 'meta' it doesn't matter to pool 3 climbers what is meta and what isn't. The combo itself is OP and (imo) an exploit. Think of wong and surfer or WT that's fine, but the entire ridiculousness of playing the specific cards on top frankly tops Loki when in ladder.
Now, when I see wong drop, I'm out. What a waste of time.

Is allowed cause you have to draw the full combo and the opponent has not to play any of the 10 cards who counter it.

[Taonath]

In my experience this deck is only played in very early stages. It becomes less and less desireable as you progress through the ranks and your CL, as it is easily countered and, as much power as it can output in the optimal case, isn't over the line.

I sometimes face it after hitting Infinite, when I just jump in for a quick quest solving game on ladder or at the higher tiers of Conquest. Usually it's either easy to beat or an easy and cheap retreat. It's so telegraphed and so easy to calculate, that it doesn't do much in cube equity and most of the time that's what matters the most.

So, while you might be annoyed by it at the moment, you will eventually realize that's it's nowhere near the power level you make it out to be from your current point of view.