High Evolutionary ruin the game

[NikosGr1]

I have been playing the game for more than 1 month, I am considered a "new" player, although I managed to learn it very well:
- I am level 100 (infinity)
- I managed to gather 17 infinity conquest tickets

BUT : I am frustrated to see that nearly everyone uses High Evolutionary (with many different variant decks) , which is by far the win-game card.
The reason is that the bonuses that it gives to the cards are huge , most of which are not even on-going or on-reveal, which means they cant be countered.

So, new players who dont have access to HE OR dont want to play like this style, will be frustrated and eventually quit the game.

I understand that many players spent tokens for buying him from token shop, but like this the game will come to an end
For those who object about the above, please ask yourselves: do you want to play against real players or against bots? (and sometimes cheating bots)

Devs need give a solution immediately

[laveley]

HE decks aren't as prevalent as they were before the nerf. Ihmo the card is fine by now.

[Taonath]

I 100% agree with laveley here, though Hulk might need another little nudge, but even that's debatable.

HE decks are by no means too prevalent at the moment and rather easy to beat - Luke Cage into the deck and you're ready to go. Personally I don't see many of them any more.

[Jack_Burton]

I think the issue is they don't have an unranked queue or a way to pay vs the AI.

So casual players have no choice but to queue up for ranked where they will inevitably run into decks like HE or some other loaded deck they don't have cards to match or really care to.

Conquest is also sweaty, even more so in some ways.

In addition, you can't complete daily missions in a Friendly Battle. So again, a casual player wanting to grow their collection, has no choice but to queue up for ranked.

[Alcatraz]

HE was a problem before the nerf. Now is fine.

[kingts]

Xristo, It could very well be how you play. There are archetypes that can handle High Evo and I can think of a dozen cards that can deal with him.
Let's look at 5 decks off the bat
1. Luke Cage Ramp with Angela/Bishop Enchantress, Killmonger, Shang Chi. you want to ramp yours to destroy his. You can add Nova, another solid 1 cost here, Mysterio, that allows you to play away from his piling on two lanes, to gather the other two.
2. Goose Surfer-Here you again using key 3 cost cards and nullify High Evos mid to high end play. Sera, Killmonger, Surfer, Polaris, Maximus, Goose, Cage, Fantastic, and adding a few key cards that can beat any deck.
3. The Guardian Lock Down- Watch the 5 costs you pick here. I like to play this deck vs any deck. Cage, with Storm, Spiderman, Prof X, Legion all in play here. Gamora, Rocket, Enchantress, Magneto, Daredevil all central to not allowing High Evo to spread. Star Lord, Goose, Nebula could be used here too, but what you want lock down on 4, 5 and end the game on 5 turns. I have seen this deck played totally wrong vs High Evo, you don't play into his strength. You lockdown where he is not going regardless of the location.
4. Patriot Cage-I played with this one on a lot different themes and the idea here to outramp him. Cage again being central-Sinister/Ironlad/Ironman/Onslaught/Blue Marvel/Wave/Brood/and two key cards vs high evo, Debri, who floods his lanes and ofcourse Patriot. The issue here is with no Cage, you will suffer to Cyclops, Wasp, Thing without Cage. I have won in conquest many times vs High Evo, because I know that deck, but usually this one struggles if its a prolonged match, which is what you don't want.
5. Destroy Zola- Very powerful deck vs High Evo because you are clearing your own board that negates High Evo's cards to hurt yours. Nimrod/Zola/Venom can just simply be too much for High Evo to spread his joy, but have to be careful not to let him dominate the boards before you can trigger. His build up does not matter, its getting your deck to perform with a lot of outs. Magik is a nice option here.

I also handle him with the what I call the new Namor/Zabu deck because 4 cost cards have gotten a better theme with those two, Cage, Rogue, Throwing rocks into his deck.

Disrupt/Lockdown is my favorite by far.

Those are just off the top of my head.
I would rethink the decks you bring into Conquest. I bring a deck that handles all decks, not just HIgh Evo.

When I face High Evo, I want him done early. I snap early, catch him on game 1 and 2. Gave you a whole list of archetypes that counter HIgh Evo, or High Evo Lockjaw. Peace

[Si]

It's a very stromg deck, but there are many busted combos which can beat it.

High evo is something of a noob stomper, and I mean no disrespect when I say that I just mean a high evo deck is mostly going to walk all over the starting decks.

I'm surprised they didn't adjust him either. People can argue if he's balanced or not all day but the fact is a lot of people just hate playing against high evo decks.

[kingts]

Originally posted by Si:

It's a very stromg deck, but there are many busted combos which can beat it.

High evo is something of a noob stomper, and I mean no disrespect when I say that I just mean a high evo deck is mostly going to walk all over the starting decks.

I'm surprised they didn't adjust him either. People can argue if he's balanced or not all day but the fact is a lot of people just hate playing against high evo decks.

I figure I would help him out, and I did say it maybe him, what he is playing.
They are constantly adjusting cards Si, some I agree with, others I do not
I also think there are a lot of cards in the game that need more Buffs, that in itself would right the Meta, than constant nerfs that can make things worse.

[NikosGr1]

I run onto HE in nearly all my Infinite Conquest runs (6 out of 7) , so it is used a lot.
Concerning the card itself, it is a useless card , but everybody understands that I meant about the bonuses it gives to the other cards, right?
Concerning a deck with some cards that can counter HE decks, yes it is true, but if you try to build a deck which counters a HE, then you are doomed to fail , as you cant win against any other deck, and basically you are vulnerable against some cards (eg enchantress can stop your ongoing Luke Cage) , while the HE bonuses cant be removed.
Furthermore, being your only purpose to counter a HE, you focus in a spot and you lose the whole image.
I have played hundreds of games this month+ , against even the most rare decks(self-made) , but to be honest, HE deck I can't win. Yes, I won once, but I saw players without skills winning me, just by the huge bonuses that the HE gives to the cards.
Examples:
- Cyclops 3/4 -> -1 on every enemy card per round on this sector
If played at turn 3 against a x2 position opponent, its total profit in the end of the game will be: 4 - (-2)x3 = 10 , so a 3/10 card in the worst case(cause if enemy has 3 or 4 cards, it will be 13 or 16)
- Hulk 6/12 -> becomes 6/20+ if I am not mistaken, so instantly win in this position (only Infinaut has so huge power, but you need skip a turn to play him) ... So...
- Misty Kninght 1/2 -> +1 power to a friendly card. If played at 1st turn, in the end will be profit 1/8 (a little less than Nebula, which i think is the highest in profit 1-cost card)
- Wasp 0/1 -> with profit 0/3
- Thing 4/6 -> with profit 4/9
Those examples speak for themselves , so the HE bonuses are huge .
And ok, you put Luke Cage, but you will need Cosmo as well (since Enchantress can counter him) and Shang Chi 4/3 trying to kill Hulk(although impossible as it is played in last turn) , so you have a 2/2 card , a 3/3 card and a 4/3 card trying to counter HE deck, in comparison to those card costs from the HE deck you are already a lot points far to reach it.

[Tray]

Your math is very wrong,

[NikosGr1]

You play with HE deck and you win all time, right? :)
Correct my math ;)

[Tray]

I have before, haven't used it this season.

One example - Wasp is a 0/1 that takes away 1 power, which is a 0/2. Not a 0/3.

That was counting to 2, you don't even need to use a whole hand for that one.

So yea, your math is very wrong.

[NikosGr1]

https://mobalytics.gg/blog/marvel-snap/marvel-snap-high-evolutionary-decks-and-synergies/

Here says 0/1 -> 2 enemies -1 each , so 0/3
Ehhmm... you said as an example the worst card from HE bonuses...
Why you dont say about Cyclops? or Hulk? :)

[Si]

Originally posted by kingts:

Originally posted by Si:

It's a very stromg deck, but there are many busted combos which can beat it.

High evo is something of a noob stomper, and I mean no disrespect when I say that I just mean a high evo deck is mostly going to walk all over the starting decks.

I'm surprised they didn't adjust him either. People can argue if he's balanced or not all day but the fact is a lot of people just hate playing against high evo decks.

I figure I would help him out, and I did say it maybe him, what he is playing.
They are constantly adjusting cards Si, some I agree with, others I do not
I also think there are a lot of cards in the game that need more Buffs, that in itself would right the Meta, than constant nerfs that can make things worse.

He has only been playing for a month though so his card choices will be severely limited. Early Series 3 in this game is brutal, you're matched against people with meta decks and all you have is the starting cards and a few random series 3 drops. High evo stomps all over the starting cards.

[Taonath]

Originally posted by NikosGr1:

https://mobalytics.gg/blog/marvel-snap/marvel-snap-high-evolutionary-decks-and-synergies/

Here says 0/1 -> 2 enemies -1 each , so 0/3 - wrong/pre-nerf
Ehhmm... you said as an example the worst card from HE bonuses...
Why you dont say about Cyclops? or Hulk? :)

Wrong/outdated data. You should get your facts straight before jumping to conclusions. You don't even seem to know the cards you say you are playing.

Also your anecdotal experiences mean exactly nothing. You should at least refer to something with valid sample sizes. But even the sites/trackers that collect such data are not 100% reliable, as SD isn't sharing any of the internal metrics they collect.

[webmetalreese]

Originally posted by NikosGr1:

I have been playing the game for more than 1 month, I am considered a "new" player, although I managed to learn it very well:
- I am level 100 (infinity)
- I managed to gather 17 infinity conquest tickets

BUT : I am frustrated to see that nearly everyone uses High Evolutionary (with many different variant decks) , which is by far the win-game card.
The reason is that the bonuses that it gives to the cards are huge , most of which are not even on-going or on-reveal, which means they cant be countered.

So, new players who dont have access to HE OR dont want to play like this style, will be frustrated and eventually quit the game.

I understand that many players spent tokens for buying him from token shop, but like this the game will come to an end
For those who object about the above, please ask yourselves: do you want to play against real players or against bots? (and sometimes cheating bots)

Devs need give a solution immediately

i mean for just starting out - 17 Infinity tickets awarded and I am 98% totally complete and I have issues getting gold tickets. My suggestion is that if you are a new player who has already hit 100 on ladder and are even heading into the infinity conquest you can't be that new honestly.
What I think you are feeling is that early series 3 when you are steadily climbing but find that you are missing that one card to make a deck or simply getting frustrated by players like me who find the only way to have fun is to not care about avatars or cards but instead legion the altar of death and watch it all burn and giggle as we lose yet another silver conquest match 2.

I agree that the way things are looking that long term playable like yu gi oh games is looking quite grim, but I do respect the OTA's and the patches as the meta shifts. What I'm tired of is every creator/content being all about the 'CRACKED CARD" broke the meta etc.
If I could go back to those early days of Patriot - I would.