The Matchmaking

[Orphen]

I will never understand the matchmaking I have been playing since season 1, and unlike most of the complaints I see about matchmaking it seems I am not seeing the issue I am having. Not sure what the formula is for matchmaking, but if I use an Ongoing deck for the most part most opponents have ongoing blocking card. Okay that's fine so i switch to my destruction deck 10 games in a row every opponent had armor yet none of my opponents when using my ongoing deck had armor. Okay switch to discard deck every single person is using shang I feel like I am super unlucky or the matchmaking formula is just crazy. I know a lot of these counter cards are in A tier decks, but what are the chances I am running into decks that counter mine almost every time even when I switch.

[ryu600RR]

perfect example here

last night i got omega red, slipped it into my existing deck,
for the next 5 of 7 games i got beat by magneto showing up on turn 6
i been playing that deck almost 2 months almost every day, and i never ran into magneto once !!

so okay i get it mag can beat my card, it's not even about winning or losing, why this game gotta spoon feed me and pre determine everything

same thing with cosmo/wong, encchantress/cerebro etc.

[ryu600RR]

Postat inițial de Ming:

Postat inițial de ryu600RR:

on that note they've said bot's deck is predetermined and i personally don't believe a single lick of it

they could whip out just the right card out of thin air on turn 6 with 3 seconds left on the clock and you wouldn't know it

You are giving them way too much credit. They can't program the bots to do that lol.

i dont think, imo it's easier to program the game to counter with whatever card in the game, as opposed to limit the bot's options by generating a random, coherent deck every game before the match start

[slidejones]

Postat inițial de ryu600RR:

MMR for this is absolute garbage, i stopped caring for ranks long time ago, but both winning and losing streaks feels so fabricated i've lost most of my interest in playing altogether

it's completely rigged, they match you the games when you're suppose to win, when you're suppose to lose, and put you in "the ranks you're suppose to be in"
call it confirmation bias or w/e, they already said they match you according to deck composition and such

it's utter BS

i don't understand why they gotta add this 'sophisticated' dumb algorithm instead of letting it be completely random, let nature runs its course by survival of the fittest

this game is pretty fun but hey ben brode, YOU SUCK
ahhhhhhhhh HAHAHAHAHHAA

Something stinks in the MMR this season. It doesn't feel fair. I'm not even trying to climb, just stay at 45, do dailys and log off. The frustration of losing to metas, bad matchmaking, meme decks and bots > having fun and enjoying the game.

[Grimvald Alibært]

I was rank 60 last season and now I can't pass rank 40. It feels really, really bad when having lose streaks (-8, -8, -4)... Plus these last times, I'm only facing destroying decks. This is getting boring. I mean this is always Deadpool-turn 1 or Bucky-Barnes-turn 2 + Carnage or Deathlock-turn 3... I don't blame the game, but this is frustrating lol

[jstarkey76]

Postat inițial de Grimvald Alibært:

I was rank 60 last season and now I can't pass rank 40. It feels really, really bad when having lose streaks (-8, -8, -4)... Plus these last times, I'm only facing destroying decks. This is getting boring. I mean this is always Deadpool-turn 1 or Bucky-Barnes-turn 2 + Carnage or Deathlock-turn 3... I don't blame the game, but this is frustrating lol

Nah, it's the game. When you get bots, and the board favors almost every time, no it's not fun. I rarely run into a move deck, maybe 1 in 15-20 rounds, but when i do, the board has Bifrost/NY/etc to favor them...just coincidentally...every time.

[Novak]

if a game cannot be balanced they rigged the match making , it wouldnt be the first time devs used this strat to keep a game afloat

[Grendel]

Postat inițial de ryu600RR:

MMR for this is absolute garbage, i stopped caring for ranks long time ago, but both winning and losing streaks feels so fabricated i've lost most of my interest in playing altogether

it's completely rigged, they match you the games when you're suppose to win, when you're suppose to lose, and put you in "the ranks you're suppose to be in"
call it confirmation bias or w/e, they already said they match you according to deck composition and such

it's utter BS

i don't understand why they gotta add this 'sophisticated' dumb algorithm instead of letting it be completely random, let nature runs its course by survival of the fittest

this game is pretty fun but hey ben brode, YOU SUCK
ahhhhhhhhh HAHAHAHAHHAA

+1

[onedudesmind]

I've been talking about this for a while on here lol, people said i was crazy.

[Orphen]

So I just wanted to clarify some things. Other posters had previously said no we are humans and we see patterns when there are none. Well I have done some testing since my last post. I wanted to see if that was true. So I played over 100 games on a lockjaw deck. There is a pattern to a deck like that. The big thing I recorded and noticed was if I have lockjaw or jubilee pull from the deck if there was a low cost card in the deck it pulled that card 50% of the time. Sometimes it would happen back to back games. I am 100% sure Lockjaw and Jubilee are programmed to pull card by percentages. I noticed with these cards If I had just used my low cost card like wasp and Sunspot they would pull the next lowest the majority of the time which were Thor, Leech, and Vision. Usually leaving America Chavez, She Hulk, Magneto, Giganto, and Infinaut at a low % pulling. I went ahead and played a Destruction Deck, Patriot Deck, Discard Deck, and Arnim Zola Deck each over 100 games. When I started each deck I had no issues after playing each for about 5 games every deck i ran into the majority of the time countered my decks. If I played destruction the decks I would run into would mostly have armor yet when i switched to patriot I rarely ever saw armor, but I saw enchantress/killmonger a ton. the issue is when I played destruction enchantress/killmonger never came up. I could has used all those killmongers when playing destruction lol. I never found a crazy counter to discard except Rogue/cosmo who popped up a bunch of times when playing morbius. Needless to say say those games were mostly lost. Rarely saw armor or enchantress using discard. With Arnim Zola all the sudden Cosmo is played all the time. When I was not seeing it during any other deck except destruction. There is without a doubt a formula based on what cards you are playing. I also cannot tell you how many time for 3-5 games in a I would start with the same exact cards which makes no sense.

[Dr.Gloom]

People say the same thing about Hearthstone, MTG, Runeterra, and probably every other digital CCG I haven't played. There is a reason why it has never been proven. Confirmation bias. You don't have a high enough sample size, and you are cherry-picking bad outcomes as an example. CCGs rely heavily on RNG, some less and some more. Snap from the get-go, I think even surpasses Hearthstone. The problem with heavy RNG is tolerance for making mistakes is high, and it can often win you games. This leads to bad habits. If you get higher on the Ladder and MMR you will get absolutely stomped. So here are a few things you have to know, and how to mitigate RNG.

1. Don't switch decks often. First of all, you will learn how to pilot the deck, and you will become better at it. Second, if you switch often, it is the same as a coin flip. Heads does not win more over tails. Everything equalizes over time.

2. You will get countered no matter the deck you are playing. Powerful counters are cheap and available to everyone. And everyone runs at least one of them in their deck. Because of the small deck size, the chance your opponent will have a "perfect" counter is high.

3. In order to have a higher win rate, you have to play meta decks. You can win with trash homebrew decks. You can win with obscure combos. But it is hard to beat a refined meta deck.
There is no hidden algorithm to make your life miserable. The game, as a whole, is designed to piss you off. So pick a good deck, stick to it, and try to learn the game and make good decisions. Simple as that.

[Orphen]

Postat inițial de Midnite:

People say the same thing about Hearthstone, MTG, Runeterra, and probably every other digital CCG I haven't played. There is a reason why it has never been proven. Confirmation bias. You don't have a high enough sample size, and you are cherry-picking bad outcomes as an example. CCGs rely heavily on RNG, some less and some more. Snap from the get-go, I think even surpasses Hearthstone. The problem with heavy RNG is tolerance for making mistakes is high, and it can often win you games. This leads to bad habits. If you get higher on the Ladder and MMR you will get absolutely stomped. So here are a few things you have to know, and how to mitigate RNG.

1. Don't switch decks often. First of all, you will learn how to pilot the deck, and you will become better at it. Second, if you switch often, it is the same as a coin flip. Heads does not win more over tails. Everything equalizes over time.

2. You will get countered no matter the deck you are playing. Powerful counters are cheap and available to everyone. And everyone runs at least one of them in their deck. Because of the small deck size, the chance your opponent will have a "perfect" counter is high.

3. In order to have a higher win rate, you have to play meta decks. You can win with trash homebrew decks. You can win with obscure combos. But it is hard to beat a refined meta deck.
There is no hidden algorithm to make your life miserable. The game, as a whole, is designed to piss you off. So pick a good deck, stick to it, and try to learn the game and make good decisions. Simple as that.

Well I have played most games like hearthstone, and never have I seen anything like this. First and foremost I am not a noob to this game my collection level may only be 3200, but I know how all the cards work. Which decks are meta, and how to play every deck I have. It should not matter if you switch decks often. Watch any pro, top player, streamer they all switch decks often this is not a game where you should just play one deck . You can if you want, but any decent player I have ever seen in this game has about 4-5 decks they go between often. You also do not have to play meta decks to technically have a higher win rate. I have been playing since the game started I am currently 120 and I did not use Thanos, or Shuri to get there this season or have a high win rate. It is literally about the matchup and the board in this game. Sure it helps to have OP cards, but it does not always work in your favor plus you do not see a lot of meta decks until higher ranks at least I didn’t. Also you do not for sure know if there are any algorithms in place as I doubt you had anything to do with development no one said they were made to make you life miserable only that we are pretty sure there is some type implemented. Saying I do not have enough of sample size may make sense for the argument of playing different decks and players always having counters to those decks yet when a new deck is played those cards are no where to be seen. However that argument does not work when it comes to Lockjaw I can 100% guarantee you lockjaw/jubilee pick out of your deck based on %. That % being higher for low cost low power cards. I have played over 100 games with the deck only having two 1 cost cards in the deck. On turn 3 when lockjaw is placed if I have wasp in hand and place wasp with lockjaw and also have those in hand I have a 1 in 6 chance to pull sub spot tell me why when I totaled it last night every time i had a 1 in 6 chance to pull the lowest cost card in deck 58% of the time it pulled that card. If it’s random RNG that make 0 sense. 6 cards total 5 of them are a 5 or 6 cost 58% of the time they did not get chosen by lockjaw. Of course if two of those low cost are in the deck the odds got worse up to 70%. Try it yourself do some actual research instead of going there is no algorithm’s when you do not know. Run wasp, sunspot, lockjaw, jubilee, Thor, leech, vision, America Chavez, she hulk, magneto, giganto, infinaut. Watch how abnormally your low cost card are chosen over the high cost by lockjaw and jubilee when the odds are always in favor of the higher cards and tell me those cards are no programmed to pull low cost cards at a higher percentage.

[HereIsPlenty]

When does a wall of text stop feeling like a rant?

[onedudesmind]

I am CL 3000+ I have played against a Thanos deck maybe 5-6 time in my entire time playing. I bought him last week and when i play the deck he is in, I face a Thanos deck about one in ever 5 matches. I switch to an old deck and do not see Thanos decks, i play 10- 20 matches nada. i switch back I see him regularly.

[Orphen]

Postat inițial de HereIsPlenty:

When does a wall of text stop feeling like a rant?

How do you get a rant out of replying to what Midnite stated? If you do not want to read what I wrote then don't. This thread is not for you to come here, and attack people for getting their point across. Many people have noticed the same thing as I do. I just did research to see if I was crazy. Many people have confirmed the same thing I have stated in previous posts here.

[Orphen]

Postat inițial de onedudesmind:

I am CL 3000+ I have played against a Thanos deck maybe 5-6 time in my entire time playing. I bought him last week and when i play the deck he is in, I face a Thanos deck about one in ever 5 matches. I switch to an old deck and do not see Thanos decks, i play 10- 20 matches nada. i switch back I see him regularly.

Yup I am telling you there is definitely some type of algorithm when it comes to cards played and matchmaking. If anyone thinks I am just seeing patterns that are not there play the lockjaw deck i mentioned above and tell me lockjaw/jubilee do not pull lower cost cards at a higher percentage rather than just being random pulls.