pay to win, or paywalls?

[~Sound Sage~]

So, How is the monetization for this game? pay to win? paywalls?
can you earn cards without paying?

how does this all work? would like to know before i waste my time.

[Alcatraz]

引用自 Andrew, King of the Britons：

Just an example, basically, all the stuff I don't have. I got to 650 or so collection level, but since I'm not paying for blue credits or whatever they are, I can't level up very fast now.

I'm almost Series 3 complete (6 cards to go) and I'm currently level 37 on the ladder. 😝

Play for fun, not to climb the ladder. Too much effort for almost no reward. Collect cards, try different decks and do the daily missions. That's better than stressing out to reach infinite. For what? Few extra credits and gold? LOL! 😅

For example, I play a deck with only the baby/chibi variants I've collected. Bad cards and no synergy in that deck, so I mostly lose with it. But I enjoy the variants. Even more than winning. 😁

Baby/Chibi deck[i.ibb.co]

[Zlehtnoba]

引用自 Viridium：

引用自 Zlehtnoba：

That's not really accurate. If you buy the bundles, it's not hard at all. I started at release, bought the season pass and the token bundles, and have reached pool three completion a while ago (CL 3949 currently). After the lsat card drops to lower levels, I miss six level four cards, and eight level five cards.

Just a statement of fact, not a recommendation.

But he talked about "haven't spent a dime" and "nearly pool 3 complete". Imho those are rather exclusive. And "the token bundles" cost what, 300€ so far?

I was replying to where you wrote about having a hard time even if paying for all the bundles.

CL 3943, rank 37 BTW :)

[waywardprophet]

It's predatory P2W. It's super fun and polished with great graphics and sounds, which lures you in. You'll face bots at first (though the game will never let you know this in any way) who you'll have an easy time beating, thus making it more fun and giving you confidence. Then you'll progress to a higher bracket and get repeatedly beat with cards you dpn't have over and over again and be free fodder for people who have paid 100s or 1000s or dollars to progress faster.

There are bundles that contain one (1) new card, a profile picture, a title, and some credits to upgrade your collection that cost $40-$80 usd. So the cost of a AAA game for some cosmetics and a card. Predatory trash. Avoid it unless you intend to be a whale and fork over thousands of dollars to stay competitive.

[ShaneCamp]

引用自 waywardprophet：

It's predatory P2W. It's super fun and polished with great graphics and sounds, which lures you in. You'll face bots at first (though the game will never let you know this in any way) who you'll have an easy time beating, thus making it more fun and giving you confidence. Then you'll progress to a higher bracket and get repeatedly beat with cards you dpn't have over and over again and be free fodder for people who have paid 100s or 1000s or dollars to progress faster.

There are bundles that contain one (1) new card, a profile picture, a title, and some credits to upgrade your collection that cost $40-$80 usd. So the cost of a AAA game for some cosmetics and a card. Predatory trash. Avoid it unless you intend to be a whale and fork over thousands of dollars to stay competitive.

I said this in your other thread complaining, but I'll say it again here. You've never played a CCG before I presume, as in any other game you don't even get guaranteed cards you just get random packs for the price points you're quoting and have to pray you get whatever new things you need to be competitive, at least in this game you can attempt to target cards you need or want.

You can also do fairly well with a couple of the pool 2 decks if you use your brain to know what sorts of things you can and can't beat, there's a retreat button that offers basically zero penalty/draw back for a reason. If you're too dense to ever utilize it then that's on you.

Also those bots that are 'easy to beat' continue to be a thing up through the mid ranks, it's only in very high ranked play that you get the bots that are programmed to beat you unless you play/draw perfectly.

As I said in my initial post, yes jumping from pool 2 to pool 3 can be very harsh, at the same time you can play the Uno reverse card and stay in pool 1 or 2 indefinitely and get to infinite every single season with about 3 brain cells if the only thing you care about is some artificial ranking that has no sway over how well you play or understand the game.

If you refuse to use the tools provided for you, and don't wish to learn then this game most certainly isn't for you.

As I already said, I slowed down my collection track compared to many by buying variants I like for cards I love, I also don't get many of the gold bundles for this reason, yet I still have fun and compete with multiple decks I own.

[JTHMandSQEE]

It’s P2W. Don’t let Ming lie to you

[Lady MacBeth]

引用自 JTHMandSQEE：

It’s P2W. Don’t let Ming lie to you

Quit being bad. Just one example, of many. Yes it gets old playing the same thing nonstop, I could never do this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/10iwzn4/cl_2178_made_it_to_infinity_again_playing_only_a/

[Batsu]

引用自 Ming：

引用自 JTHMandSQEE：

It’s P2W. Don’t let Ming lie to you

Quit being bad. Just one example, of many. Yes it gets old playing the same thing nonstop, I could never do this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/10iwzn4/cl_2178_made_it_to_infinity_again_playing_only_a/

A post from 1 mounth ago...very on point with the actual meta!

[Zlehtnoba]

引用自 JTHMandSQEE：

It’s P2W. Don’t let Ming lie to you

It's not, don't let this guy lie to you.

It's predatory, additctive, manipulative, but one thing it's not is p2w. It's pay to have fun, but it takes astronomical amounts of money to make a deck right away. I call it pay to have fun.

This may be the same thing in the end, but the important thing is that you cant just shovel money into this and buy a deck. It still takes time.

[Lady MacBeth]

Fine smarty pants I was busy and didn't notice the date. Here, happy now?

https://discord.com/channels/978545345715908668/1075941754685100103

Also let there be no illusions here. Climbing to infinite with pool 2 only decks would be a nightmare and not something I would ever recommend. Just pointing out that if they can do it with pool 2 only, then what is everyone elses excuses. Don't bother replying though, I will no longer be able to see anything you post.

[Lunar Fang]

引用自 Ming：

And yet there are people who win consistently against the "meta" decks with pool 2 only decks. Gee its almost like knowing the meta decks and when to snap or when to leave is more important then cards. Oh right it is, but people need excuses for their cube spewing bad calls.

The only time you win against a meta deck is when they draw bad, otherwise you lose when they have what they need or you have the right counters in hand at the time. I can stop a lot of meta decks with two cards, but is that all I get to play because I didn't spend money to jump ahead for the right cards. That sounds like you're paying to get ahead, otherwise you have to fill your deck with three cards that now are mandatory for you to run while they're just playing whatever their hearts desire because they'd open their wallet to get all the cards.

[Lady MacBeth]

引用自 Akuma：

引用自 Ming：

And yet there are people who win consistently against the "meta" decks with pool 2 only decks. Gee its almost like knowing the meta decks and when to snap or when to leave is more important then cards. Oh right it is, but people need excuses for their cube spewing bad calls.

The only time you win against a meta deck is when they draw bad, otherwise you lose when they have what they need or you have the right counters in hand at the time. I can stop a lot of meta decks with two cards, but is that all I get to play because I didn't spend money to jump ahead for the right cards. That sounds like you're paying to get ahead, otherwise you have to fill your deck with three cards that now are mandatory for you to run while they're just playing whatever their hearts desire because they'd open their wallet to get all the cards.

I'm 8 cards from series 3 completion. Though I am a dolphin level spender ($50 max a month). Now I am lucky enough that between tokens and pulls I got all the good series 3 cards. The only things I'm missing currently are beast, crystal, drax, goose, hela, hellacarrier, omega red and titania.

And of those 8 only titania and goose are any good. Titania being the better of the two hands down. I hope to pull her soon she has a spot in a couple of my decks waiting for her. Maybe that puts me slightly ahead of pure f2p, but I'm pretty far behind the whales that have most of s4 and s5.

Its also worth noting though that I didn't start the game till the black panther season. So I was a little late to the party too. The only token bundles I have bought were the sunspot one, the mr negative one and the new deadpool one. I didn't have the gold for the apocalypse one as I try to save all my gold to minimize my actual spending to stay under my $50 a month limit I set for myself in gaming.

[Gearless]

as someone who started playing at the end of the last season, it is p2w. you can get into rank 65ish until you hit a wall with people playing decks you can't scale against most of the time. any type of deck you build is severely weaker than someone who either has put in numerous amount of hours or who has been buying cards. And with the amount of time it seems to take to unlock the better cards, its p2w past rank 65. or hit that wall until you unlock key cards that unlock deck builds.

People saying play better don't understand what PvP means. Sure you can lose less cubes if you play smart but others do the same and you gain far less on average than the earlier ranks. And trying to hit someone hard with cards that are factually much weaker than what people you go against at rank 65 near the end of a match, just isn't possible.

Again love the game and will keep playing it, but its a hell of a grind meant to force you to spend if you wanna compete at high levels.

[Z]

引用自 Zlehtnoba：

引用自 JTHMandSQEE：

It’s P2W. Don’t let Ming lie to you

It's not, don't let this guy lie to you.

It's predatory, additctive, manipulative, but one thing it's not is p2w. It's pay to have fun, but it takes astronomical amounts of money to make a deck right away. I call it pay to have fun.

This may be the same thing in the end, but the important thing is that you cant just shovel money into this and buy a deck. It still takes time.

+1

[Z]

引用自 JTHMandSQEE：

It’s P2W. Don’t let Ming lie to you

Still haven't quit since 3 months ago, have you?

[Z]

引用自 Batsu：

引用自 Ming：

Quit being bad. Just one example, of many. Yes it gets old playing the same thing nonstop, I could never do this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/10iwzn4/cl_2178_made_it_to_infinity_again_playing_only_a/

A post from 1 mounth ago...very on point with the actual meta!

And this bad player still cries. She got to Infinite last month with last month meta, anything wrong with that?
Do you understand the word meta in video game, especially card game? Do you know meta change every time a card nerfed, buffed, the player found a new perspective to play some cards or simply because a new card is released?

Welcome to card game, kiddo.
I can't imagine you playing YGO, buy a full set of specific card, then the dev put it into Limited. LMAO

i wiLL aSk fOr r3fUnD!!