hazmat feels weak

[Hikiko0mori]

hey there

i was super stoked when i opened up luke cage a day ago, Hazmat is deffinetly a deck i wanted to try ( control/disruption angles) but at best im doing -5 or -8 to a board with minions that are better statted then mine or it never feels enough. Hazmat does -1 when silver surfer and ironheart do +2.

i do wish she gets a little love because right now it does not feel good playing a hazmat type deck just because it's not impactfull enough , when ongoing destroyer type and buff type or hela decks can just put down 30 power on turn 6

[d_j_blackwell]

The (leaked?) patch notes buffed her a point so someone definitely agrees with you.

[Cujo999]

Originally posted by Fuho:

hey there

i was super stoked when i opened up luke cage a day ago, Hazmat is deffinetly a deck i wanted to try ( control/disruption angles) but at best im doing -5 or -8 to a board with minions that are better statted then mine or it never feels enough. Hazmat does -1 when silver surfer and ironheart do +2.

i do wish she gets a little love because right now it does not feel good playing a hazmat type deck just because it's not impactfull enough , when ongoing destroyer type and buff type or hela decks can just put down 30 power on turn 6

I don't have Hazmat or Luke Cage, but they might work as a combo in a Cerebro 2 deck(after Hazmat gets buffed, of course).

[Asaghon]

Yea, you need to do a lot of work to make her effective. Black Widow, Debrii and Viper to give your opponent more weak bodies (that can easily be removed). Wong to give more debuffs. Beast and Moongirl help to play her more than once and on top of all this you have to actually draw Luke or your just screwing yourself.
It's beautiful when it works though, but not very consistent

I will definitely try her in my cerebro 2 once she's buffed though, already running Luke anyway because of all the bad locations

[Zlehtnoba]

If you want to go all in on Hazmat-Luke, also play Typhoid Mary. Ten power, with a drawback you can remove. Also, as Ashagon said, Debrii and Wong are good fits. But if you don't draw Luke, you will lose.

[SpaceCat]

Hazmat Luke is a fun deck, but you really need Debrii and Wong (at least) to make it work. Viper is pretty key as well, black widow. I personally like to run Magik and Sera as well as Mystique. Ideal play on turn 5 is Magik. T6 is Sera. T7 is wong mystique luke hazmat.

The problem is of course that you need every one of your combo pieces, and you are rarely going to get 8 cubes off it. In addition to the fact that you need a lot of pool 3 cards to make it work when you could just run a silver surfer deck and likely do better :P

But man when it works, it's beautiful.

[Hikiko0mori]

the problem i have the most right now is that the deck altho fun when it works, is just getting out powered by discard hela or like sera surfer / negative surfer decks. the deck it does well against is patriot because those ultron bodies being 5-5s and me playing low statted minions means they allways have prio.

Zabu double spiderman just ruins any form of game plan i have, so does sera surfer as well i debuff by 1 but they buff by 2 , i do run typhoid mary in this deck as well yeah but still isnt enough, i went trough 5 iterations of this deck style and i just can't get many wins out of it, HOPEFULLY if she gets to be 2 power i can run her in a c2 or c3 deck with bast but for now i really am sad that i lost many lvls of my rank to this deck that i thought would be " a good contender"

[SpaceCat]

Originally posted by Fuho:

the problem i have the most right now is that the deck altho fun when it works, is just getting out powered by discard hela or like sera surfer / negative surfer decks. the deck it does well against is patriot because those ultron bodies being 5-5s and me playing low statted minions means they allways have prio.

Zabu double spiderman just ruins any form of game plan i have, so does sera surfer as well i debuff by 1 but they buff by 2 , i do run typhoid mary in this deck as well yeah but still isnt enough, i went trough 5 iterations of this deck style and i just can't get many wins out of it, HOPEFULLY if she gets to be 2 power i can run her in a c2 or c3 deck with bast but for now i really am sad that i lost many lvls of my rank to this deck that i thought would be " a good contender"

Yeah I found it to be better last season (but still not great). Too much Zabu right now for it to work. I'm playing a Zabu discard deck and I don't see how it could possibly lose to Hazmat/Cage since so much of the power shows up on t6 (dracula/strongguy/apoc etc). I played it up to about 80 last season, maybe high 70s.

[Hikiko0mori]

yeah the deck im most sucsessfull with " infinte mrr without being infinite" because i keep fighting people who are :D.

is a casino discard hela deck with lockjaw and really large units :)

[Blind Reverend]

The whole problem with hazmat is, that first you need cage and second you need lots of cards on the opponents side. He is great when playing him with wong in round 6 against a filled board.
But I faced with my Hazmet deck more often lots of taskmaster/ramp decks or Venom decks, where Hazmat doesn't shine.

Easy to calculate:
wong + hazmat against a full zone = -8
wong + hazmat against a big 1 drop zone = -2

[Vilidius]

The problem with Hazmat isn't that the card is weak. It's a 2-cost card and you can get significant value from it, certainly enough to justify its cost and potentially much more. The problem is that loading the card implies an entire strategy behind your deck that there just aren't enough other cards to support. Hazmat could be part of a very interesting deck. And Luke Cage is a great addition to that deck. But even with Cage, it's still not complete - not even if you have every card available in the game to mess with.

I'm sure the game designers are aware of this. It's not like I'm offering a unique observation. Cards are balanced or unbalanced not in isolation but in relation to one another. The move deck is a great example of this. Unless I'm wrong, there hasn't been a move-based card released since launch. Miles Morales was the first season card post-launch. I figure he was released day one so I'm counting him at launch. Move decks are what they are. They were pretty powerful at launch. They become less powerful as the meta takes hold because they get eclipsed by other strategies and they're probably due for some love. But just adding one more card that synergizes with that existing deck would probably refresh the meta. It might not even be an particularly powerful card, individually. But it would be made much more powerful and useful by plugging into an existing, functional deck concept.

With Hazmat, that deck concept doesn't exist - even though it feels like it should. I speak as someone who has tried very hard to make it work. Black Widow, Viper, Green Goblin, Debrii, the works. I don't have Absorbing Man yet. I know it would help if I did. But it's still an underpowered deck concept even so.

Anyway, nuff said. It isn't the card. It's what's available to build a deck around it that's the problem.

[Hikiko0mori]

Originally posted by Vilidius:

The problem with Hazmat isn't that the card is weak. It's a 2-cost card and you can get significant value from it, certainly enough to justify its cost and potentially much more. The problem is that loading the card implies an entire strategy behind your deck that there just aren't enough other cards to support. Hazmat could be part of a very interesting deck. And Luke Cage is a great addition to that deck. But even with Cage, it's still not complete - not even if you have every card available in the game to mess with.

I'm sure the game designers are aware of this. It's not like I'm offering a unique observation. Cards are balanced or unbalanced not in isolation but in relation to one another. The move deck is a great example of this. Unless I'm wrong, there hasn't been a move-based card released since launch. Miles Morales was the first season card post-launch. I figure he was released day one so I'm counting him at launch. Move decks are what they are. They were pretty powerful at launch. They become less powerful as the meta takes hold because they get eclipsed by other strategies and they're probably due for some love. But just adding one more card that synergizes with that existing deck would probably refresh the meta. It might not even be an particularly powerful card, individually. But it would be made much more powerful and useful by plugging into an existing, functional deck concept.

With Hazmat, that deck concept doesn't exist - even though it feels like it should. I speak as someone who has tried very hard to make it work. Black Widow, Viper, Green Goblin, Debrii, the works. I don't have Absorbing Man yet. I know it would help if I did. But it's still an underpowered deck concept even so.

Anyway, nuff said. It isn't the card. It's what's available to build a deck around it that's the problem.

yeah i think your absolutely right. hazmat is the only card that affects your opponents board negatively , where as with ongoing you have allot of support, theres not more negative stats bringers other then like the soul stone , and the other cards that does negative stats only affect you " yellowjacket / TyMa ".

Also the move decks have issues because they are easily stopped via a whole host of cards wich makes the deck less great in comparison to like, a surfer / patriot deck

[Blind Reverend]

Originally posted by Fuho:

Originally posted by Vilidius:

The problem with Hazmat isn't that the card is weak. It's a 2-cost card and you can get significant value from it, certainly enough to justify its cost and potentially much more. The problem is that loading the card implies an entire strategy behind your deck that there just aren't enough other cards to support. Hazmat could be part of a very interesting deck. And Luke Cage is a great addition to that deck. But even with Cage, it's still not complete - not even if you have every card available in the game to mess with.

I'm sure the game designers are aware of this. It's not like I'm offering a unique observation. Cards are balanced or unbalanced not in isolation but in relation to one another. The move deck is a great example of this. Unless I'm wrong, there hasn't been a move-based card released since launch. Miles Morales was the first season card post-launch. I figure he was released day one so I'm counting him at launch. Move decks are what they are. They were pretty powerful at launch. They become less powerful as the meta takes hold because they get eclipsed by other strategies and they're probably due for some love. But just adding one more card that synergizes with that existing deck would probably refresh the meta. It might not even be an particularly powerful card, individually. But it would be made much more powerful and useful by plugging into an existing, functional deck concept.

With Hazmat, that deck concept doesn't exist - even though it feels like it should. I speak as someone who has tried very hard to make it work. Black Widow, Viper, Green Goblin, Debrii, the works. I don't have Absorbing Man yet. I know it would help if I did. But it's still an underpowered deck concept even so.

Anyway, nuff said. It isn't the card. It's what's available to build a deck around it that's the problem.

yeah i think your absolutely right. hazmat is the only card that affects your opponents board negatively , where as with ongoing you have allot of support, theres not more negative stats bringers other then like the soul stone , and the other cards that does negative stats only affect you " yellowjacket / TyMa ".

Also the move decks have issues because they are easily stopped via a whole host of cards wich makes the deck less great in comparison to like, a surfer / patriot deck

Never forget Spiderwoman.

[Hikiko0mori]

Originally posted by Blind Reverend:

Originally posted by Fuho:

yeah i think your absolutely right. hazmat is the only card that affects your opponents board negatively , where as with ongoing you have allot of support, theres not more negative stats bringers other then like the soul stone , and the other cards that does negative stats only affect you " yellowjacket / TyMa ".

Also the move decks have issues because they are easily stopped via a whole host of cards wich makes the deck less great in comparison to like, a surfer / patriot deck

Never forget Spiderwoman.

i mean spider woman yeah. slightly forgot her. but apart from that there's not much support for debuffs